Quite a discussion going on at LQ called "Unionism at Fort Wayne Seminary?"

[LutherMan]

http://www.lutherquest.org/cgi-bin/discus40/discus.cgi

Look for the thread titled:

"Unionism at Fort Wayne Seminary?"

[John Dornheim]

Ah, those naughty STSers. We all knew it would come to this.
John Dornheim

[Charles_Austin]

Wow! The comments over there make the hotted-up postings from some LC-MS folk here seem almost benign! I guess there's nothing like the scent of the dread "unionism" (oooh!)  to get the blood rushing in LC-MS purists. It appears to be much worse than what the scent of sexism or racism does to the blood in some ELCA veins. 

[J. Thomas Shelley]

Wow! The comments over there make the hotted-up postings from some LC-MS folk here seem almost benign!

I checked it out and thought that I was stuck in Monty Python's "Repeating Groove" sketch.

[LutherMan]

Wow! The comments over there make the hotted-up postings from some LC-MS folk here seem almost benign! I guess there's nothing like the scent of the dread "unionism" (oooh!)  to get the blood rushing in LC-MS purists.

Just so you understand, jimmy boone, who initiated the thread isn't LCMS.  He is an "Independent Lutheran", and Timothy Blank is Church of the Lutheran Cofession, Duane Smalley is WELS, etc.  You may want to check out their profiles...
Just a thought.

[Keith Falk]

I just finished reading the entire thread... it is interesting to see what the other end of the Lutheran spectrum thinks of the retreat.  Seeing those disucssions just makes one realize that one man's conservative is another man's liberal.

[grabau14]

I just finished reading the entire thread... it is interesting to see what the other end of the Lutheran spectrum thinks of the retreat.  Seeing those disucssions just makes one realize that one man's conservative is another man's liberal.

There's alot of truth in that statement.  My parish thinks I'm conservative, alot of the area pastors in Minnesota North District think I'm a liberal and my friends think I'm nuts 

Rev'd. Matthew J. Uttenreither  SSP

[Charles_Austin]

Someone writes:
Just so you understand, jimmy boone, who initiated the thread isn't LCMS.  He is an "Independent Lutheran", and Timothy Blank is Church of the Lutheran Cofession, Duane Smalley is WELS, etc.  You may want to check out their profiles...

I muse:
Goll-ee! Do you mean you have someone who is not a part of a particular church body going online, analyzing events within another church body and then hammering that church body repeatedly? How on earth could that ever happen?

[peter_speckhard]

I can't remember when I first logged onto the alpb forum-- I think about three or four years ago. But I found it the first time I decided to surf around for a Lutheran theological discussion site. The first one I came across was some guy's blog and it seemed a bit corny. The next one was somehow affiliated with LCNA (or perhaps it was another blog by someone who mostly talked about LCNA stuff) and I wasn't very interested. The next one was LQ, which, I remembered when I saw the name, came highly recommended from a couple of people I know, but I lost interest after reading about four threads. Then I came upon alpb and found what I was looking for.   

[LutherMan]

I muse:
Goll-ee! Do you mean you have someone who is not a part of a particular church body going online, analyzing events within another church body and then hammering that church body repeatedly? How on earth could that ever happen?

Hmmmm....Not sure.   Could it be the WELSians & CLCers are offended that they aren't welcome to commune in LCMS parishes?

[Pr. Jerry]

http://www.lutherquest.org/cgi-bin/discus40/discus.cgi

Look for the thread titled:

"Unionism at Fort Wayne Seminary?"

I am actually reduced to tears at this nonsense.  I have said it elsewhere: I will never again set foot upon any of the CTS campuses.  To be called, as a member of STS, a liar and all these other names is intolerable.  I have also said elsewhere on this forum that these allegations are evidence that the accuser was not in attendance.  I was.  If anyone has any questions regarding the integrity of any of the STS folks, I am more than happy to rise to their defense publicly.

What I have never figured out is why the LCMS folks should hate and despise the STS so...  We are working to reform the ELCA, we are working to keep it on the firm foundation of the Lutheran Confessions.  We are the ones who the LCMS should be praying for and commending.  But no.  We are more despised in LCMS circles than even in the ELCA circles.  So be it, but I'd think that someone would at least a half-hearted attempt to defend and speak well of the Society. 

So be it.  It's good to know where you stand in the world.

Pax Christi;
Pr. Jerry Kliner, STS

[Charles_Austin]

Pastor Kiner is, I believe, rightly outraged. However, all should remember that everyone in the ELCA, whether STS or not, is - in the official mind of the LC-MS - not "Lutheran" enough, not welcome at LC-MS altars or LC-MS congregations, at least officially.

[John Dornheim]

http://www.lutherquest.org/cgi-bin/discus40/discus.cgi

Look for the thread titled:

"Unionism at Fort Wayne Seminary?"

I am actually reduced to tears at this nonsense.  I have said it elsewhere: I will never again set foot upon any of the CTS campuses.  To be called, as a member of STS, a liar and all these other names is intolerable.  I have also said elsewhere on this forum that these allegations are evidence that the accuser was not in attendance.  I was.  If anyone has any questions regarding the integrity of any of the STS folks, I am more than happy to rise to their defense publicly.

What I have never figured out is why the LCMS folks should hate and despise the STS so...  We are working to reform the ELCA, we are working to keep it on the firm foundation of the Lutheran Confessions.  We are the ones who the LCMS should be praying for and commending.  But no.  We are more despised in LCMS circles than even in the ELCA circles.  So be it, but I'd think that someone would at least a half-hearted attempt to defend and speak well of the Society. 

So be it.  It's good to know where you stand in the world.

Pax Christi;
Pr. Jerry Kliner, STS

Heh, heh, some of us have been called a lot worse.

John Dornheim

[Pr. Jerry]

Pastor Kiner is, I believe, rightly outraged. However, all should remember that everyone in the ELCA, whether STS or not, is - in the official mind of the LC-MS - not "Lutheran" enough, not welcome at LC-MS altars or LC-MS congregations, at least officially.

Charles, I do remember that fact and am routinely amused that the ELCA seems to do its absolute best to re-inforce that view.  It grows tiresome trying to "explain" what is going on in the ELCA to LCMS, Roman Catholic, and most other Christian traditions who are alarmed at our stances and actions.  FWIW, the ELCA hasn't done much to show that they care that the LCMS doesn't find us to be an "orthodox" Lutheran body, we seem to actually rejoice in that fact.  But it's not my intent to attack you here.  Let's just leave it at that I do (and have since I left the LCMS many years ago...) understand and grieve the fact that all ELCA members are not officially welcomed at the Table with our LCMS brothers and sisters.

Pax Christi;
Pr. Jerry Kliner, STS

[LutherMan]

Again, I'd like to point out that some of the more vociferous and outraged participants in that discussion aren't even LCMS.  There are WES/ELS/CLC/Ind. Lutherans rasing most of the clamor.  Those Lutherans are out for    the blood of LCMS'ers, sort of like some in ELCA believe we in the LCMS are out for their blood...
Two of my WELSian brothers don't believe I am sufficiently Lutheran.