Started by Steven Tibbetts, August 30, 2004, 10:17:52 PM
QuoteBut maybe Pr. Tibbetts might consider changing the title to something referring to ELCA pastors who object to female ordination.
Quote"Okay, I think I've got 'moderates,' 'conservatives,' and 'confessionalists' pretty straight. But what does one call an ELCA, uh, 'conservative' who would *not* accept women's ordination?"
Quote from: Brian Stoffregen on March 22, 2005, 03:46:58 PMQuoteI suspect that your "hunch" is correct. In fact, I'll gladly stipulate that it is correct: these congregations did not "work through their bishop's office." SO WHAT? At most they are guilty of rudeness toward their bishop and bishop's staff. Nope. They are breaking the rules of their own constitutions. To quote from the model -- with boldface added:*C9.01. Authority to call a pastor shall be in this congregation by at least a two-thirds majority ballot vote of members present and voting at a meeting legally called for that purpose. Before a call is issued, the officers, or a committee elected by [this congregation][the Congregation Council] to recommend the call, shall seek the advice and help of the bishop of the synod.*C9.02. Only a member of the clergy roster of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America or a candidate for the roster of ordained ministers who has been recommended for the congregation by the synodical bishop may be called as a pastor of this congregation....
QuoteI suspect that your "hunch" is correct. In fact, I'll gladly stipulate that it is correct: these congregations did not "work through their bishop's office." SO WHAT? At most they are guilty of rudeness toward their bishop and bishop's staff.
Quote from: Steven_Woyen on March 07, 2005, 07:31:11 AMRichard,If there are those who see it as a "ministerium" as you say some do, that fine. But what is wrong with your colleagues in your synodical conference? What SPECIFIC issues do you object to among your fellow non-STS ELCA pastors that you need to subscribe to a "rule?" You say that it isn't a "super-vow," but an upholding of your ordination vows made in the ELCA (or predessor bodies). Don't you think there might be pastors who aren't STS members are upholding their ordination vows? I plan to uphold my vows when I'm ordained, do I need to join the STS to show this? No. Will I seek "ministerium" among my synodical colleagues? Sure, and I'm sure you do too, but I don't need a subscription to a rule to do this. Does this mean I have a "Protestant" view of the clergy? Does this mean I'm one of these "low-church" types of clergy. Certainly not! I don't need to practice a "self-chosen piety" (Col. 2:23) to serve in the pastoral office.