Meanwhile, back at the Supreme Court

Started by Dan Fienen, December 07, 2022, 10:57:04 AM

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Charles Austin

Pastor Fienen:
Why must you always assume that we who are on the Right are ignorant, unfeeling, unsympathetic boobs who have no idea how other people think or understanding of their feelings?

Me:
We do not assume that of all conservatives. But some of them, including some of your most prominent leaders, are as you described.

Pastor Fienen
Because we do not immediately sympathize with and justify the actions of people with whom you sympathize and justify their actions.
Me:
Some of you do not seem to have much sympathy for or understanding of the people whom your despise.
Iowa-born. Long-time in NY/New Jersey, former LWF staff in Geneva.
ELCA PASTOR, ordained 1967. Former journalist. Retired in Minneapolis.
GUILTY on ALL 34 counts

peter_speckhard

Quote from: Charles Austin on December 14, 2022, 03:38:23 PM
Pastor Fienen:
Why must you always assume that we who are on the Right are ignorant, unfeeling, unsympathetic boobs who have no idea how other people think or understanding of their feelings?

Me:
We do not assume that of all conservatives. But some of them, including some of your most prominent leaders, are as you described.

Pastor Fienen
Because we do not immediately sympathize with and justify the actions of people with whom you sympathize and justify their actions.
Me:
Some of you do not seem to have much sympathy for or understanding of the people whom your despise.
So? Unless you think you are talking to one of them, that is irrelevant because it is true of every position, organization, movement, etc. 

Charles Austin

If you can get access to the column that David Brooks wrote today, on the "soul" of our country, you should read it.
Iowa-born. Long-time in NY/New Jersey, former LWF staff in Geneva.
ELCA PASTOR, ordained 1967. Former journalist. Retired in Minneapolis.
GUILTY on ALL 34 counts

James S. Rustad

"Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem." -Thomas Jefferson


Jim Butler

Quote from: Charles Austin on April 28, 2023, 09:15:33 AM
If you can get access to the column that David Brooks wrote today, on the "soul" of our country, you should read it.

It's standard "Trump bad/Biden good." Who cares?

It's tripe like this that make people cynical. It's a desire to hold one side accountable--and not the other--that makes it a joke.

Moral Mr. Biden "forgives" all student debt, knowing it's illegal, but arguing he can get away with it because no one has standing to sue.

Moral Mr. Biden turns a blind eye when people loudly protest at the homes of SCOTUS justices in violation of federal law.

Moral Mr. Biden's polices at the border allow for the exploitation of children, many working in unsafe conditions.

Moral Mr. Biden had as the head of nuclear waste disposal a man who wore dresses that he got from luggage he stole at airports.

Moral Mr. Biden lied when he said that a certain lap top computer did not belong to his son. He then sent campaign agents to get 50 national security people to sign a letter saying it was certainly Russian disinformation and then used that letter to defend himself--while not revealing that they wrote and signed the letter at the request of his campaign.

Moral Mr. Biden doesn't hold press conferences and when he does, he's given the questions in advance, complete with a picture of the reporter who will be asking it. I would think that any journalist or oped columnist would find this less than moral.

Moral Mr. Biden refuses to acknowledge the existence of his granddaughter in Arkansas.

Moral Mr. Biden tells more lies than almost any other pollitician alive today. Most recently that he was born in the same hospital that his grandfather died in two weeks earlier. He was born in PA; granddad died in Maryland. Even the New York Times has reported on his "yarns."

Moral Mr. Biden is a plagiarist, stealing entire speeches and life histories.

But Mr. Brooks, who gladly and gleefully holds Trump accountable for his nonsense call Mr. Biden moral.

It is this kind of double standard that rots the soul of the nation.

Mr. Austin, I'm still waiting for any evidence you have of the quote below. I would think you would have come up with something by now. Or maybe lying is what you and Trump have in common.
"Pastor Butler... [is] deaf to the cries of people like me, dismissing our concerns as Satanic scenarios, denouncing our faith and our very existence."--Charles Austin

Mark Brown

I'm sorry, but that Brooks column is terrible. If you are the side arguing for child genital mutilation, killing babies and crushing the working class under inflation and globalism you aren't the moral side. You need to be stopped.

peter_speckhard

Quote from: Mark Brown on April 28, 2023, 05:15:52 PM
I'm sorry, but that Brooks column is terrible. If you are the side arguing for child genital mutilation, killing babies and crushing the working class under inflation and globalism you aren't the moral side. You need to be stopped.
That's why he had to couch the actual issues in terms of Trump's lack of character and obnoxious personality. He doesn't want to just come out and say that he is entirely uncommitted to a conservative goal agenda or even to any single item on that agenda.

A key to ask is this: if you or I had been president 2016-2020, what policies would have been different? If you or I were president 2021-present, what would be different? That takes all the hyperventilating about personally and supposed scandals out of the equation and just looks at actual decisions. By this measure, Biden can't hold a candle to Trump, at least among those with conservative values. So either Brooks cares more about the president's personality than about actual issues or else he doesn't really espouse conservative values.

Charles Austin

#98
I'll just let all the lies and piles of BS posted above pass. Life is too short.
I should have known The Trump Cult cabal here would emerge; but I didn't see that the Brooks column would be a call to bonehead arms. 
What's next here? Proud Boys? Q-Anon? Aryan Nations? Posse Comitatus?
I'm not sure I want my name associated with a board where crap like that posted above by Butler and Peter appears.
A sad day for ALPB.
Somebody take down this thread and erase everything in it.
Iowa-born. Long-time in NY/New Jersey, former LWF staff in Geneva.
ELCA PASTOR, ordained 1967. Former journalist. Retired in Minneapolis.
GUILTY on ALL 34 counts

Matt Hummel

Quote from: Charles Austin on April 28, 2023, 07:04:31 PM
I'll just let all the lies and piles of BS posted above pass. Life is too short.
I should have known The Trump Cult cabal here would emerge; but I didn't see that the Brooks column would be a call to bonehead arms. 
What's next here? Proud Boys? Q-Anon? Aryan Nations? Posse Comitatus?
I'm not sure I want my name associated with a board where crap like that posted above by Butler and Peter appears.
A sad day for ALPB.

Charles what you fail to see is the fact that Donald Trump IS as vile as you say, if not mor so, does not put Joe Biden on the side of the angels. Stalin's opposition to Hitler didn't make him a moral paragon. Biden is likewise vile.
Matt Hummel


"The chief purpose of life, for any of us, is to increase according to our capacity our knowledge of God by all means we have, and to be moved by it to praise and thanks."

― J.R.R. Tolkien

Mark Brown

Charles:
Yada Yada Yada

Me
Letting it pass would have been not posting.
Not humoring mental illness with castration of minors and liking an economy that real people benefit from = extremism
Got it, wouldn't want to be associated with such things. Sad!

Jeremy_Loesch

Under Pres. Biden we blew up the Nordstream 2 pipeline and continue to encourage Ukraine to fight ours and NATOs proxy war with Russia, and we are encouraging a clash between Taiwan and China. Pres. Biden is an extremely moral president.

Meanwhile Julian Assange still isn't free, the railroad strike was crushed by the administration, the working class falls farther and farther behind while taxpayer dollars are wasted in Ukraine while no negotiating for peace takes place.

As we just saw on the draft from KC: I'm proud to be an American, where at least I know I'm surveiled.

Jeremy

Dan Fienen

Quote from: Charles Austin on April 28, 2023, 07:04:31 PM
I'll just let all the lies and piles of BS posted above pass. Life is too short.
I should have known The Trump Cult cabal here would emerge; but I didn't see that the Brooks column would be a call to bonehead arms. 
What's next here? Proud Boys? Q-Anon? Aryan Nations? Posse Comitatus?
I'm not sure I want my name associated with a board where crap like that posted above by Butler and Peter appears.
A sad day for ALPB.
Somebody take down this thread and erase everything in it.
Typical Charles,  just typical. As I review the posts responding to Brooks' opinion piece, I found little defense of Trump per se and most of it pointing out moral flaws with Biden. Yet since we did not immediately agree with his Trump bashing and holding up Biden as a moral paragon, Charles immediately assumes that we will go on and support Proud Boys, Q-Anon, Aryian Nations, and Posse Comitatus. Talk about lies and piles of BS. Anyone who does not jump on Charles'anti-Trump bandwagon must be part of The Trump Cult cabal and hold to the most extreme racist anti-government views and groups. No reasonable discussion possible. Agree with Charles or you must be  Proud Boys supporter. I'm not sure the I want to be associated with a forum where crap like what Chales posted is posted.
Pr. Daniel Fienen
LCMS

Charles Austin

If you do not see at least the hint of Trump cultism here, Pastor Fienen, you are not reading very carefully. Or do you not see the equally odious "Biden is crooked/crazy/evil" refrain sung over and over?
Iowa-born. Long-time in NY/New Jersey, former LWF staff in Geneva.
ELCA PASTOR, ordained 1967. Former journalist. Retired in Minneapolis.
GUILTY on ALL 34 counts

Dan Fienen

Would you say that Biden is a good president? Couldn't that be just a hint of Biden cultism? Have you ever listened to the drumbeat of you "Trump is crokked/crazy/evil"? Why do you suggest that we are next going to support the Prou Boys et al?
Pr. Daniel Fienen
LCMS

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