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THERE IS NO CLIMATE EMERGENCY
« on: November 19, 2022, 10:21:10 PM »
https://clintel.nl/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/ED-brochureversieNWA4.pdf

You’ve got to remember that funding for climate study is provided almost exclusively by government agencies that must hold the the climate change “theology”.  If your proposal doesn’t fit the official narrative, then you will not receive funding.  The Scientists in the article above have basically bolted from that closed system and are saying “Hey, what do you say we listen to the science?”

The same, in my opinion, was also true of the Covid fiasco.  If you want money for a study of Covid it basically could only be obtained from the CDC.  If you made a proposal that was not in line with the government narrative, then no money for you.  In response to this closed system of funding many, many medical scientists also bolted the closed system:

https://gbdeclaration.org/   

The pushing of an agenda(s) over actual science and date only destroys the credibility of the government agencies to speak with authority and creates distrust of government restrictions on our Constitutional rights.

I suspect, like many of you, that should the states or the feds attempt again to close worship or limit worship that our congregation for sure will simply not comply again. 

With respect to climate change specifically, I would dare to say that it is simply the greatest incidence of mass child abuse in the history of the world.  What do I mean by that?  Simply that an entire generation of our children now firmly believe that they are going to die if we don’t completely restructure the world to “fix” climate change.  That’s child abuse if there ever was child abuse.

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« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2022, 11:57:03 PM »
Climates change. 

It's what they do.

May as well try to stop plate tectonics or deploy sheeps' bladders to prevent earthquakes.

And in the meantime, always spell "Science" thusly:  $cience.
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« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2022, 04:54:20 AM »
We are probably doomed no matter what, but certainly passing from existence if the above views prevail.
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« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2022, 06:49:33 AM »
The Green fanatics (who have captured the governments of many nations, including our own) know that there is no god out there to whom we can appeal for aid, but there is a god from whom we can protect ourselves.  He's a very strict god who requires us to give up our standard of living, our political and economic freedom, and many liberties we used to take for granted.  Even then, he gives us no guarantees that the world won't self-destruct anyway.  And it will be our fault!  I think their god is a fake.  We Christians should say so.  Our God is God!  He rules this world for the sake of his children.  He calls on us to be faithful stewards of what he's given us to enjoy.  He, not we, will decide when this world ends.

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« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2022, 07:12:05 AM »
Pastor Preus:
He rules this world for the sake of his children.
Me:
Then he is not doing a very good job. Millions of those whom you call his children are suffering. We could feed them, we could care for them, but we don’t.

Pastor Preus:
He calls on us to be faithful stewards of what he's given us to enjoy.  He, not we, will decide when this world ends.
Me:
And how Faithful have we been in our stewardship? We are fouling land, air, and sea. We are making it impossible for God‘s wonderful creation to care for us.
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« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2022, 08:26:48 AM »
Charles, Is the God you worship a weak and feckless God?  "He's not doing a very good job of it"  ??? God indeed rules all things because He is God.  As R. C. Sproul once noted, if there is even one molecule in the universe that God does not control, we cannot have an assurance of our salvation.
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« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2022, 11:32:55 AM »
The God I worship gave us stewardship of the earth. We are messing it up. Well, relax. Maybe God will speak and the destruction we have wrought will be gone. Or maybe not.
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« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2022, 04:29:50 PM »
gtemps.jpg. While everyone is looking at the trends on the top side of this chart, it is the very obvious trend that is shown on the bottom side of the chart that is more concerning.  Follow the trend or call your friends in Buffalo, NY and ask them about their concerns respecting Global Warming this morning.  From a 1971 edition of the Washington Post this article was provided: It didn't copy well so you'll have to read between the lines but if anyone wants the full article, PM me and I'll send it to you.

"U. S. Scientist Sees New Ice Age Coming
By Victor Cohn

International Study of Man's
be simply necessary for men
Washington Post Staff Writer
Impact on Climate now
to stop most fossil fuel-burn-
The world could be as lIt-
being held in Stockholm as ing-use of coal, oil, natural
tle as 50 or 60 years away
a prelude to a world envi-
gas and automobile gasoline
from a disastrous new ice
ronmental conference there
-and switch in the main to
age, a leading atmospheric next June,
scientist predicts.


Dr. S. I. Rasool of the Na-
Dr. Gordon F. MacDonald,
tional
scientist-member of Presi-
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source,"
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that these conclusions point
A new ice age would flood
the fine dust man constantly
up "one of the serious prob-
the world's coastal cities
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puts into the atmosphere by
and further lower tempera-
fossil fuel-burning could
gates must address next tures to build up new gla-
year.
ciers that could eventually
screen out so much sunlight
that the average tempera-
He called Rasool "a first- . cover huge areas.
ture could drop by six de-
rate atmospheric physicist"
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grees,
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bated whether man's activ.
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tures by six degrees "is con-
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cient to trigger an ice age!"
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Schneider kind of prediction
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guess."
certainty," that study con-
printed in this week's issue
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ented by Schneider at an in-
ternational network to moni-
tor atmospheric dust.
If his calculations provelargestantal" fastest

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« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2022, 04:48:46 PM »
From: http://temperature.global


The recorded global temperature for previous years:
2015 average: 0.98 °F (0.54 °C) below normal
2016 average: 0.48 °F (0.27 °C) below normal
2017 average: 0.47 °F (0.26 °C) below normal
2018 average: 1.33 °F (0.74 °C) below normal
2019 average: 0.65 °F (0.36 °C) below normal
2020 average: 0.00 °F (0.00 °C) below normal
2021 average: 0.20 °F (0.11 °C) below normal

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« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2022, 05:52:07 PM »
The issue is not “global” warming in the sense that every place on the globe is warming or warming equally. The issue is what the warming does where it is occurring.
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« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2022, 06:12:02 PM »
 ;D. Charles, I'm actually starting to enjoy your posts. You are hilarious!

I have an idea! Why not change the term "global warming" to the more ambiguous "climate change"? Then you'll guess that it will be more difficult to show your error.

Oh, wait...right. Never mind.  ;)
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« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2022, 08:13:28 PM »
Weather
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« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2022, 09:32:51 AM »
Rolf is quite correct that the so-called Climate Change movement is all about the Marxist redistribution of wealth.  Perhaps the biggest sick joke about it all is that the world’s single worst polluter, China, is exempt from making climate payments to other less developed nations is that they managed to get themselves declared as a “developing” nation so places like the USA and others are sending Climate Change money to China so they can continue to “develop” their high tech military.

SriLanka and Nigeria have been nearly financially ruined by adopting the green policies and other nations are struggling as well.

I am reasonably certain that Scripture tells us that that this world will not end until our Lord Returns for the Day of Judgment.   

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« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2022, 09:38:47 AM »
Then Noah built an altar to the Lord and took some of every clean animal and some of every clean bird and offered burnt offerings on the altar. And when the Lord smelled the pleasing aroma, the Lord said in his heart, “I will never again curse the ground because of man, for the intention of man's heart is evil from his youth. Neither will I ever again strike down every living creature as I have done. While the earth remains, seed time and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night, shall not cease.”  Genesis 8:20-22

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« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2022, 09:46:48 AM »
I cannot imagine that the creator God, who gave us this beautiful world, can be pleased with the ways we have despoiled that gift. We are polluting the seas, poisoning the air, and ruining the land.
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