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"Saint Paul Catholic Church in Lexington posted a copy of the program to its Facebook page saying the service was an apology to the community for 'the Church's lack of respect, compassion, and sensitivity and for unjust discrimination.'..

The Catechism of the Catholic Church states that homosexual acts are ''acts of grave depravity.' It says 'homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered' and they are 'contrary to natural law.'"

https://www.foxnews.com/us/kentucky-catholic-church-apology-lgbtq-community
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Apparently the church has a "director of Catholic LGBTQ+ ministry" who appears to be gay and led the service.  He writes that "I believe we are witnessing the evolution of doctrine, so I have hope."  This seems unusual for the RC church.  Evolution of doctrine? What would that mean?
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"Saint Paul Catholic Church in Lexington posted a copy of the program to its Facebook page saying the service was an apology to the community for 'the Church's lack of respect, compassion, and sensitivity and for unjust discrimination.'..

The Catechism of the Catholic Church states that homosexual acts are ''acts of grave depravity.' It says 'homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered' and they are 'contrary to natural law.'"

https://www.foxnews.com/us/kentucky-catholic-church-apology-lgbtq-community


This service seems to me to be consistent with the outlook of Lexington's bishop.  Link 

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https://www.wkyt.com/2022/07/01/ky-catholic-church-hosts-unprecedented-service-apology-lgbtq-community/
     They're not hiding from the Catechism of the Catholic Church, much less condemning it. They cite CCC #2358 on their literature. It's a difficult time to be a pastor (much less a bishop).

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Here's a You Tube connector to the outreach planned by the Roman Catholic Church in 2020 and endorsed by Timothy Cardinal Dolan of New York:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUsBWXiolPo.  Well worth a view.

I appreciate this pastoral, hospitable and caring approach, using the term "God's children" of LGBTQ people.

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I turned to the Synthesis produced by the RC Bishops of England and Wales of meetings in preparation for the 2023 Synod (released June 22). It has this in its summary of discussions on various topics:

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(ii) LGBTQ+

60. LGBTQ+ groups who organised synodal meetings in Westminster diocese were
grateful for a twice-monthly Mass specifically for them but otherwise felt they were
途endered invisible. A constant voice in the reports laments the exclusion and
sidelining of LGBTQ+ Catholics. Stories were shared in which gay people are singled
out or made unwelcome, subject to prejudice and hostility. In other cases, church
teaching or perceptions of God were seen as inhibiting self-acceptance: 徹ne (gay)
person said that she had a breakdown trying to reconcile her faith with her sexuality. A report described the LGBTQ+ group as 妬n no way angry with theChurch just hurt.

61. Church teaching was commonly raised, as well as the language in which that teaching is expressed, notably the expression 妬ntrinsically disordered that some church documents use to describe the same-sex orientation.. 鄭 widespread view was thatpeople shouldn稚 be punished because of who they are attracted to. There was a strong call 殿ctively to listen to the lived reality of LGBTQ+ people and to殿ccompany, care for & offer healing for the past damage done to some of these baptised Catholics. There were some calls to allow same-sex blessings, while others warned against what they saw as a 電rive towards gender and LGBTQ+ ideology.
https://www.cbcew.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2022/06/synod-national-synthesis-england-wales.pdf

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     They're not hiding from the Catechism of the Catholic Church, much less condemning it. They cite CCC #2358 on their literature. It's a difficult time to be a pastor (much less a bishop).

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It seems to me that sections 2357-59 must be read together. Focusing on any part of this three-section segment to the exclusion of the rest will lead one astray.

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Apparently the church has a "director of Catholic LGBTQ+ ministry" who appears to be gay and led the service.  He writes that "I believe we are witnessing the evolution of doctrine, so I have hope."  This seems unusual for the RC church.  Evolution of doctrine? What would that mean?

Probably the same thing Newman meant when he spoke of "development of doctrine."
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"Saint Paul Catholic Church in Lexington posted a copy of the program to its Facebook page saying the service was an apology to the community for 'the Church's lack of respect, compassion, and sensitivity and for unjust discrimination.'..

The Catechism of the Catholic Church states that homosexual acts are ''acts of grave depravity.' It says 'homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered' and they are 'contrary to natural law.'"

https://www.foxnews.com/us/kentucky-catholic-church-apology-lgbtq-community


In line with this event report, and quote from the RCC Catechism, here's an interesting article from the Muslim point of view, https://traversingtradition.com/2022/06/29/lgbt-propaganda-under-the-microscope/


The crux of the article, written in the aftermath of a pride poster that depicted two Muslim women about to kiss (and that got removed from display after the submission of a 35,000+ protest petition -- here's a secular article about it, https://lfpress.com/news/local-news/western-university-lgbtq-poster-sparks-muslim-community-backlash), is that,
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Muslims do not identify with our desires, let alone any other adjective we would use to describe ourselves.
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It is sinful for a Muslim to identify as a 轍ueer Muslim or anything of the sort and it is also sinful for a Muslim to propogate any non-Islamic slogans or means of propaganda because these identities and slogans originate from and are a tool to further liberal ideology. Thus, any Muslim engaging in these narratives has participated in working against the Muslim community and Islam.


Now, while I do not view Islam as anything other than a false religion that worships a false god, I do think it's quite interesting to note the argument that the author makes is one based on creedal certainties and realities. Beliefs matter, and there is such a thing as oppositional beliefs. Something needs to take priority, and it's pretty clear once the choice is made, even if/when someone doesn't want to admit it. (cf. Luke 16:13)

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Apparently the church has a "director of Catholic LGBTQ+ ministry" who appears to be gay and led the service.  He writes that "I believe we are witnessing the evolution of doctrine, so I have hope."  This seems unusual for the RC church.  Evolution of doctrine? What would that mean?

Probably the same thing Newman meant when he spoke of "development of doctrine."

Churches that have multiple sources of authority---not just Scripture but also tradition, Fathers, papal authority, prophecy, new revelations, human reason---naturally leave the door open for development/evolution of doctrine.

Lutherans might see themselves adjusting application of a text (how Law and Gospel address the hearers). But they see Scripture and doctrine as stable (e.g., Jude 3). An example might be the Southern synods that allowed for slavery in early America, a position I think no Lutheran Church would allow or encourage today.
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