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peter_speckhard

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Re: Public Religion
« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2022, 04:17:54 PM »
Civil religion is necessary for those who don't have any particular faith because it prevents them from making a god out of the United States. Civil Religion at least preserves the critical distinction between conferring rights and recognizing rights. That's why the phrase "under God" is so important as an addition to the pledge. It doesn't matter so much for these purposes what God just so long it isn't the flag/nation/government.   

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Re: Public Religion
« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2022, 04:19:10 PM »
An outstanding book about President Dwight D. Eisenhower:

"The Soul Of An American President: The Untold Story of Dwight D. Eisenhower's Faith"
Alan Sears and Craig Osten, Baker Books, 2019


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« Reply #17 on: March 25, 2022, 04:57:51 PM »
Eisenhower can be included in those leaders espousing civil religion. I'm currently preparing a review of The Religious Journey of Dwight D. Eisenhower, by Jack M. Holl. (Eerdmans). After a childhood being exposed to the highly sectarian influences of his parents (River Brethren and Jehovah's Witness) he settled on a simple "civil religion" which was useful for him as president.

Peace, JOHN
Any similarity between 'a simple "civil religion"' and today's megachurches? You know, the multi-site or screen-based churches, where theologically alert people can read the denominational basis but the ordinary member is not confronted with too much awkward dogma?

Peace,
Michael
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Re: Public Religion
« Reply #18 on: March 25, 2022, 05:27:17 PM »
Progressivism, wokism, or whatever you want to call the orthodoxy of the left whose self-appointed prophets include The Squad in the House of Representatives and others, has its own religiosity complete with a strain of messianism. They have a firm code of ethics, violation of which will bring down wrath and shunning. They also promulgate an apocalyptic vision of impending Armageddon from which they alone can save the world, but only if they are put in charge and command all to obey their edicts. Their apocalyptic vision is of a nation and a world laid waste by rampant global warming, racism, sexism, speciesism, heteronormativism, capitalism, colonialism, Republican fascism, white supremacy, populism, and improper pronouns. The danger is immediate and there is no longer time for discussion or debate. They will save us all, they will save the world but only if all people come to follow and obey them. It is for their own good. Ordinary people simply cannot be trusted to choose correctly on their own. They must be coerced into the proper paths which only the Woke perceive. Sacrifices will need to be made, but it is for the Greater Good. Trust them, they know better.
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Re: Public Religion
« Reply #19 on: March 25, 2022, 06:07:32 PM »
Progressivism, wokism, or whatever you want to call the orthodoxy of the left whose self-appointed prophets include The Squad in the House of Representatives and others, has its own religiosity complete with a strain of messianism. They have a firm code of ethics, violation of which will bring down wrath and shunning. They also promulgate an apocalyptic vision of impending Armageddon from which they alone can save the world, but only if they are put in charge and command all to obey their edicts. Their apocalyptic vision is of a nation and a world laid waste by rampant global warming, racism, sexism, speciesism, heteronormativism, capitalism, colonialism, Republican fascism, white supremacy, populism, and improper pronouns. The danger is immediate and there is no longer time for discussion or debate. They will save us all, they will save the world but only if all people come to follow and obey them. It is for their own good. Ordinary people simply cannot be trusted to choose correctly on their own. They must be coerced into the proper paths which only the Woke perceive. Sacrifices will need to be made, but it is for the Greater Good. Trust them, they know better.

And creepy whispering always helps.  ::)

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Re: Public Religion
« Reply #20 on: March 25, 2022, 06:33:31 PM »
President Dwight D. Eisenhower joined the National Presbyterian Church in D.C.
after his election.  He wanted to wait until after he was elected so it would not
be seen as politically expedient.  He attended worship as often as possible
and made an annual financial pledge. Ike had a genuine faith in Jesus Christ.

Eisenhower was the only President to open his inaugural with a prayer he himself
had written. He opened all his Cabinet meetings with prayer.  In February, 1953,
he helped to start the annual tradition of The National Prayer Breakfast.

In 1954, He helped Congress to insert the words "Under God" in the nation's
Pledge of Allegiance.  In 1956, He signed into law a declaration that "In God
We Trust" would be our national motto and printed on our coins and currency.

Remember that General Dwight Eisenhower was the Supreme Allied Commander
in WWII.  He learned to rely on the power of prayer as a source of strength in
his conduct of the war. He was not ashamed to be found on his knees for prayer,
whether in the war or in the Oval Office of the White House.




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Re: Public Religion
« Reply #21 on: March 25, 2022, 07:07:50 PM »
Eisenhower can be included in those leaders espousing civil religion. I'm currently preparing a review of The Religious Journey of Dwight D. Eisenhower, by Jack M. Holl. (Eerdmans). After a childhood being exposed to the highly sectarian influences of his parents (River Brethren and Jehovah's Witness) he settled on a simple "civil religion" which was useful for him as president.

Peace, JOHN
Any similarity between 'a simple "civil religion"' and today's megachurches? You know, the multi-site or screen-based churches, where theologically alert people can read the denominational basis but the ordinary member is not confronted with too much awkward dogma?

Peace,
Michael

I'll venture a guess. There are similarities but it seems to me important differences for many, but not all. ("Mega" includes a very broad range of practice and belief.) Many of the mega churches are decidedly Christian. Often they are without any awkward dogma. Again, many have a code of personal moral values. American civil religion does not require either explicit Christian belief or specific moral values.

Peace, JOHN
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Re: Public Religion
« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2022, 08:21:24 PM »
"It reminds me of a pastor I knew there who said he liked pastoring in the south, no one was ashamed to be a Christian."

A Christian as they see a Christian to be and act.... we all have our household gods, don't we...  as well as in the N,E, and W, the same case, Christians having some of religion made in their own image...  and we all, no matter our geography have shames aplenty.


I also talked to a Lutheran pastor in TX where they assumed that all Christians were Baptists. Reading a prayer from a book was almost seen as heresy.
"The church Ö had made us like ill-taught piano students; we play our songs, but we never really hear them, because our main concern is not to make music, but but to avoid some flub that will get us in dutch." [Robert Capon, _Between Noon and Three_, p. 148]