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Re: What Happened to the Christian/Lutheran Cyclopedia?
« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2021, 11:46:13 AM »
I was given a gift of a "Lutheran" rosary some years back.  It has a small wooden circle on which is inscribed pictures representing the Six Chief Parts.  Below that is one large rosary bead, followed by six smaller beads, and then a crucifix.  I'll attach a picture of it.  Not sure who still sells these.
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« Reply #16 on: December 09, 2021, 12:23:10 PM »
My mother uses what looks like a rosary but isn't. It is a string of stone beads of varying shapes representing her children and their spouses and children in order by family. She holds it while praying for them essentially as a memory aid so that she doesn't accidentally forget to pray for anyone.   

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« Reply #17 on: December 09, 2021, 12:34:59 PM »
Wow - in a predominantly Roman Catholic corner of the US of A, the introduction of the rosary as a devotional aid in Lutheran churches would be an amazing thing.  I'll ask our staff, all of whom were raised in that tradition (although some have demitted to the Missouri Synod through the years).

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« Reply #18 on: December 09, 2021, 01:16:45 PM »
In principle, the Rosary as a devotional aid would not be at all objectionable. Peter's mother's use of a Rosary like object to remind her of those for whom she would pray is a good example. I do have a couple of quibbles.


The Rosary as usually understood in the RCC devotional life seems from a Lutheran perspective perhaps a bit heavy on Mariology. Also, as simply a set of rote prayers simply repeated would trend close the praying with many words but not the heart that Jesus warned about. Simply repeating a set series of prayers, a number of times, does not necessarily increase devotion.

But none of that indicates that use of such a devotional aid is in itself bad.
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« Reply #19 on: December 09, 2021, 02:44:53 PM »

CPH owns the copyright to the Christian Cyclopedia (formerly the Lutheran Cyclopedia).

The other major work is the three-volume Encyclopedia of the Lutheran Church (Augsburg, 1965). That has been out of print for years. I wonder if Fortress would be willing to let ALPB update it.

Then there is the Dictionary of Luther and the Lutheran Traditions (Baker, 2017). It's an interesting resource, but not as in-depth as the Encyclopedia of the Lutheran Church.


I have all three of these works in my library (I actually wrote a handful of the entries for the last one, maybe ten or twelve of them). Each has pros and cons, largely related to what their intent and purpose was. The good thing about Dictionary is that it has articles on lots of people and events of the past fifty years, which obviously the others don't have because they predate them. I've found the 3-volume work to be the most useful overall, but dated.

I also have all three and agree completely.

The Lutheran (Christian) Cyclopedia is useful for finding entries on obscure subjects that we might think of as trivia. I once ran across the name of Frederick Notz and was curious.

Notz, Friedrich Wilhelm August. Sure enough there it is:
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Notz, Frederick William Augustus; February 2, 1841–December 16, 1922). Brother of E. A. Notz*; b. Lehren-Steinsfeld, near Weinsberg, Württemberg, Ger.; educ. Maulbronn and Tübingen; private tutor; to Am. 1866; tutor Georgia 1866–68; prof. (Gettysburg) Pennsylvania Coll. 1868, Muhlenberg Coll., Allentown, Pennsylvania, 1869–72; prof. Gk. and Heb., Northwestern U., Watertown, Wisconsin, 1872–1912 (inspector 1874–81). Secy. Ger. Am. Press Assoc. 1870; pres. Ger. School Assoc. of Pennsylvania 1871. Tr. J. K. Dietrich, Institutiones catecheticae, into Ger.; ed. Schul-Zeitung 1876–94 (title changed March 1879 to Lutherische Schul-Zeitang.
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Erwin Luecker taught at my prep school and the sem (later SEMINEX). He was not an exciting teacher or preacher but his mind was brilliant. The Lutheran Cyclopedia is well rounded and useful in that it also carries articles on people, institutions, and events not related to the Synodical Conference. Hundreds and hundreds of them.

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« Reply #20 on: December 09, 2021, 06:22:34 PM »
Praying with Beads (Daily Prayers for the Christian Year) by Nan Lewis Doerr and Virginia Stem Owens)  Eerdmans 2007

I have a print out I made titled Evangelical Rosary Prayers
I know an ELCA pastor in my old SWPA Synod of the ELCA used to promote their use (maybe he sold them and maybe produced the above-- not sure)  some 40 pages

bought a set of beads that had prayer cards titled "Anglican Prayer Beads" AKA ANGLICAN ROSARY   SHOMALI INC.

There were others like the above.

I used them for a time but prefer the Daily Office
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« Reply #21 on: December 09, 2021, 06:44:32 PM »
If you want a truly useful/helpful/rooting repetitious prayer: The Jesus Prayer is the finest, of course.  Followed closely by the Kyrie itself.
 
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« Reply #22 on: December 10, 2021, 08:03:49 AM »
Thanks, all, for sharing your comments. Here is the video a parishioner sent to me with his questions:

Anglican Rosary. https://youtu.be/vH7hyi655BI

I also found the following, which seems to be from an ELCA pastor or professor describing a Lutheran rosary. I think he says the ELCA actually released one. I would like to hear from ELCA members whether that is accurate or not.

Lutheran Rosary. https://youtu.be/l0Dp1_wcsaA

What I have recommended to my parishioner, who is practicing an Advent fast, is to pray the Litany, pausing to meditate on the life of Christ and to recall persons for whom to pray.
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« Reply #23 on: December 10, 2021, 08:31:20 AM »
A rosary is a garland of roses, so in the spiritual sense a garland of prayers.  Encouragements to daily prayer are a great way to tackle the curing/care of souls in the parish, whether through beads, prayer with others in visitation, or group reflections on the Word connected to daily life.  Perfect Advent conversation!

With regard to "seelsorger" and the pastoral office, the concept in the Anglican tradition of Curate as "assistant performing pastoral duties" seems an appropriate widening of the gate.  There are dedicated laity in our congregation who dial up other members and speak/pray with them almost daily.  Many of them have a congregational function - deacon or elder - but many do not have any designation.  What are they doing?  They are seelsorgers, I guess with a small "s".  And this is how the living fabric of the Body of Christ goes on through time.  It's a both/and.  The pastor/priest is the person embodying and administering the care of souls in that parish - composed of the members of the particular congregation as well as the neighborhood/town/village geographically outlined.  The pastor/priest has many official and unofficial "curates" doing the work of the Body as described so well in I Corinthians 12, Romans 12, and Ephesians 4. 

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« Reply #24 on: December 10, 2021, 09:34:14 AM »
A rosary is a garland of roses, so in the spiritual sense a garland of prayers.  Encouragements to daily prayer are a great way to tackle the curing/care of souls in the parish, whether through beads, prayer with others in visitation, or group reflections on the Word connected to daily life.  Perfect Advent conversation!

With regard to "seelsorger" and the pastoral office, the concept in the Anglican tradition of Curate as "assistant performing pastoral duties" seems an appropriate widening of the gate.  There are dedicated laity in our congregation who dial up other members and speak/pray with them almost daily.  Many of them have a congregational function - deacon or elder - but many do not have any designation.  What are they doing?  They are seelsorgers, I guess with a small "s".  And this is how the living fabric of the Body of Christ goes on through time.  It's a both/and.  The pastor/priest is the person embodying and administering the care of souls in that parish - composed of the members of the particular congregation as well as the neighborhood/town/village geographically outlined.  The pastor/priest has many official and unofficial "curates" doing the work of the Body as described so well in I Corinthians 12, Romans 12, and Ephesians 4. 

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Re: What Happened to the Christian/Lutheran Cyclopedia?
« Reply #25 on: December 10, 2021, 10:46:45 AM »
Thanks, all, for sharing your comments. Here is the video a parishioner sent to me with his questions:

Anglican Rosary. https://youtu.be/vH7hyi655BI

I also found the following, which seems to be from an ELCA pastor or professor describing a Lutheran rosary. I think he says the ELCA actually released one. I would like to hear from ELCA members whether that is accurate or not.

Lutheran Rosary. https://youtu.be/l0Dp1_wcsaA

What I have recommended to my parishioner, who is practicing an Advent fast, is to pray the Litany, pausing to meditate on the life of Christ and to recall persons for whom to pray.


Here is an article in Living Lutheran about faith "practices" that could include the Rosary.
https://www.livinglutheran.org/2019/10/faith-as-practice-not-works/


And an older article about "prayer beads."
https://www.livinglutheran.org/2012/05/learning-pray-prayer-beads/
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« Reply #26 on: December 10, 2021, 03:03:58 PM »
Thanks, all, for sharing your comments. Here is the video a parishioner sent to me with his questions:

Anglican Rosary. https://youtu.be/vH7hyi655BI

I also found the following, which seems to be from an ELCA pastor or professor describing a Lutheran rosary. I think he says the ELCA actually released one. I would like to hear from ELCA members whether that is accurate or not.

Lutheran Rosary. https://youtu.be/l0Dp1_wcsaA

What I have recommended to my parishioner, who is practicing an Advent fast, is to pray the Litany, pausing to meditate on the life of Christ and to recall persons for whom to pray.


Here is an article in Living Lutheran about faith "practices" that could include the Rosary.
https://www.livinglutheran.org/2019/10/faith-as-practice-not-works/


And an older article about "prayer beads."
https://www.livinglutheran.org/2012/05/learning-pray-prayer-beads/

Thank you, Brian. Helpful to see. I'm not sure I would agree that practice was more important than doctrine for Luther, a point suggested in the first article above. He certainly emphasized faithfulness and continuity of practice when guiding the laity.
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« Reply #27 on: December 22, 2021, 08:02:36 AM »
I'm seeking to learn more about the Great Litany. Does anyone know of a commentary on its parts? I found some online material referring to Pfattacher. Does he go through it part by part?
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« Reply #28 on: December 22, 2021, 08:29:57 AM »
I'm seeking to learn more about the Great Litany. Does anyone know of a commentary on its parts? I found some online material referring to Pfattacher. Does he go through it part by part?

He has two pages on the Great Litany.

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« Reply #29 on: December 22, 2021, 08:56:27 AM »
I'm seeking to learn more about the Great Litany. Does anyone know of a commentary on its parts? I found some online material referring to Pfattacher. Does he go through it part by part?

He has two pages on the Great Litany.

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Thank you. That sounds like a good start but I'll probably seek more. I'm trying to understand the history of the text and its organization.
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