Filling Future Pastoral Vacancies

Started by PrTim15, October 23, 2021, 12:56:05 PM

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Donald_Kirchner

My question is: Has FC XI been able to give you any comfort, PrTim15?
Don Kirchner

"Heaven's OK, but it's not the end of the world." Jeff Gibbs

Dave Benke

Quote from: Donald_Kirchner on October 30, 2021, 04:39:43 PM
My question is: Has FC XI been able to give you any comfort, PrTim15?

not to butt in, but sub specie aeternitatis all is well for us, including PrTim15.  It's the granular current situation and the consideration of the next twenty years or so on the issue of Christian/Lutheran advancement that brings a sense of sadness.  And I think by and large Tim's advice to coordinate local action at the maximum level across various lines of demarcation makes sense.

Dave Benke
It's OK to Pray

Donald_Kirchner

Don Kirchner

"Heaven's OK, but it's not the end of the world." Jeff Gibbs

Dave Benke

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Donald_Kirchner

Quote from: Dave Benke on October 31, 2021, 07:41:21 AM
Quote from: Donald_Kirchner on October 30, 2021, 06:54:46 PM
Dave,

You sound like Jen Psaki.

And that's not a good thing?

Dave Benke

Generally no. Obfuscation is not a good thing.
Don Kirchner

"Heaven's OK, but it's not the end of the world." Jeff Gibbs

Charles Austin

I'm going to do a "Fienen" here, Since Pastor Kirchner took his shot, and ponder whether similar remarks were ever made during the years when White House press secretaries for The Ex were not obfuscating but telling us lies day after day.
But we digress.
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peter_speckhard

Quote from: Charles Austin on October 31, 2021, 08:47:05 AM
I'm going to do a "Fienen" here, Since Pastor Kirchner took his shot, and ponder whether similar remarks were ever made during the years when White House press secretaries for The Ex were not obfuscating but telling us lies day after day.
But we digress.
Sigh. Thanks for sharing. Heaven forfend we not talk about the Trump administration.

Steven W Bohler

Quote from: peter_speckhard on October 31, 2021, 10:28:55 AM
Quote from: Charles Austin on October 31, 2021, 08:47:05 AM
I'm going to do a "Fienen" here, Since Pastor Kirchner took his shot, and ponder whether similar remarks were ever made during the years when White House press secretaries for The Ex were not obfuscating but telling us lies day after day.
But we digress.
Sigh. Thanks for sharing. Heaven forfend we not talk about the Trump administration.

I was down in Mankato this week for the Bethany Lutheran College annual Reformation Lectures.  The hotel in which I stayed had free copies of the student newspaper from the local UM campus.  I was kind of impressed that this newspaper had national news, sports (local and national), and feature stories (like "what kind of Halloween candy are you?"). But what struck me was the rather long article (printed as news, and not opinion or feature-type story) about how evil Donald Trump was and how he perverted social media.  As if he were the first.  As if he had a greater impact than anyone else.  As if social media does not enforce, with an iron hand, its own version of "truth".  As if Trump were still president, or wielding that kind of power.  Made me wonder if Rev. Austin had enrolled at UM-Mankato.

Dave Benke

Quote from: Donald_Kirchner on October 31, 2021, 07:45:05 AM
Quote from: Dave Benke on October 31, 2021, 07:41:21 AM
Quote from: Donald_Kirchner on October 30, 2021, 06:54:46 PM
Dave,

You sound like Jen Psaki.

And that's not a good thing?

Dave Benke

Generally no. Obfuscation is not a good thing.

In what way did you find me obfuscating, Don?  FC XI on Election lets us know the boundlessness of God's reconciling grace.  Sub specie aeternitatis, we're good!  And so - we should make our moves as locally as we can, because it is the will of God that all be saved and brought to the knowledge of the truth.   What takes away the purpose of your original post?  I think the answer is nothing.

Dave Benke
It's OK to Pray

Randy Bosch

A reasonable place to start when considering Filling Future Pastoral Vacancies is found by considering Martin Luther's five solas of the faith (worth considering for all even on Reformation Day):
Scripture Alone
Faith Alone
Grace Alone
Christ Alone
Glory to God Alone.

Those who are considering filling Lutheran Pastoral Vacancies in the future might begin by considering how they relate to the Solas.... 
Ὑμεῖς ἐστε τὸ ἅλας τῆς γῆς· ἐὰν δὲ τὸ ἅλας μωρανθῇ, ἐν τίνι ἁλισθήσεται; εἰς οὐδὲν ἰσχύει ἔτι εἰ μὴ βληθὲν ἔξω καταπατεῖσθαι ὑπὸ τῶν ἀνθρώπων.

Donald_Kirchner

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Quote from: Dave Benke on October 31, 2021, 12:10:50 PM
Quote from: Donald_Kirchner on October 31, 2021, 07:45:05 AM
Quote from: Dave Benke on October 31, 2021, 07:41:21 AM
Quote from: Donald_Kirchner on October 30, 2021, 06:54:46 PM
Dave,

You sound like Jen Psaki.

And that's not a good thing?

Dave Benke

Generally no. Obfuscation is not a good thing.

In what way did you find me obfuscating, Don?  FC XI on Election lets us know the boundlessness of God's reconciling grace.  Sub specie aeternitatis, we're good!  And so - we should make our moves as locally as we can, because it is the will of God that all be saved and brought to the knowledge of the truth.   What takes away the purpose of your original post?  I think the answer is nothing.

Dave Benke

Your posts say different things. The second is clearer, actually addressing my question rather than simply throwing around Latin philosophical terms when discussing "the souls of men are dying" and eternal election.

Quote from: PrTim15 on October 28, 2021, 01:13:57 PM
Seems to me we, local churches, need to find ways to work together until Jesus comes back. Looks like there's still some serious gnat straining to do, while the souls of men are dying.

I took it as his concern about "while the souls of men are dying" that caused his sadness. that's why I asked him if FC XI brought him any comfort. You playing Spinoza gave me a sense of obfuscation.
Don Kirchner

"Heaven's OK, but it's not the end of the world." Jeff Gibbs

Donald_Kirchner

Quote from: Charles Austin on October 31, 2021, 08:47:05 AM
I'm going to do a "Fienen" here, Since Pastor Kirchner took his shot, and ponder whether similar remarks were ever made during the years when White House press secretaries for The Ex were not obfuscating but telling us lies day after day.
But we digress.

Actually, you did a "Stoffregen" there, fallaciously turning a particular proposition into a universal one that is irrelevant to what was being discussed. But, you got to take your TDS shot. So, there's that.  ::)
Don Kirchner

"Heaven's OK, but it's not the end of the world." Jeff Gibbs

Dave Benke

Quote from: Randy Bosch on October 31, 2021, 02:05:59 PM
A reasonable place to start when considering Filling Future Pastoral Vacancies is found by considering Martin Luther's five solas of the faith (worth considering for all even on Reformation Day):
Scripture Alone
Faith Alone
Grace Alone
Christ Alone
Glory to God Alone.

Those who are considering filling Lutheran Pastoral Vacancies in the future might begin by considering how they relate to the Solas....

Nice!  I had five Sunday Schoolers come to the front and work through the Luther Seal which centers in the cross of Christ, and then we went through and recited the first three Solas as both Sunday School and congregation.  We still are not conducting in person Sunday School, so our children's time has to be up front with the pastor or vicars, who eventually will fill a pastoral vacancy in Brooklyn.

Dave Benke
It's OK to Pray

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