Started by PrTim15, October 23, 2021, 12:56:05 PM
Quote from: Charles Austin on October 24, 2021, 08:57:34 PMPastor Bohler:Well, they may SAY the same words but they do not believe they mean the same thing. Presbyterians do not believe it is the Body and Blood but only represent them. Me:I was privileged to sit in on the final year of the Lutheran-Reformed dialogue. Three comments which I'm sure will be useless to you.1. The Presbyterian theologians were willing to affirm the real, bodily presence of Christ in the sacrament if we could understand that for them the "Real Presence" extended to the Lord''s presence in the Word and in the gathered assembly.2. We agreed that we have used and stressed different aspects of the presence.3. We agreed that the differing histories and emphases should not keep us from communing together.BTW, about a year earlier in the dialogue, when post-1969 LCMS theologians were taking part, I witnessed this exchange.Presbyterian seminary professor: "yes, we believe that the Lord is present in the elements. We teach that."LCMS seminary professor: "I don't believe you," and he went on to cite a comment from Calvin.Presbyterian seminary professor: "And do you still believe and teach every word Luther wrote?"
Quote from: Charles Austin on October 24, 2021, 09:14:10 PMPastor Bohler:If the answer does not matter, why have separate churches? Me:Good question. If, as you suggest, the answer does matter, who is going to hell for believing which way? How is the mission of the Church to the world helped by howling about the 16th Century divisions? Can we not rethink those divisions? How is the saving faith of our people damaged if we worship and commune together? Do we dishonor the sacrament or the Lord or the Gospel by sharing our ministries and worship?Do you and your LCMS colleagues believe that all your members have such a "pure," "Lutheran" understanding of the sacrament?But talk to me after you have had 5, 10 or 20 years of open, serious theological dialogue with anybody outside your hyper-Lutheran cohort. Until then, you're a math student who doesn't know the multiplication tables.
Quote from: Brian Stoffregen on October 25, 2021, 01:38:41 AMI believe that Christ is truly present in the sacrament even among those Christians who see it as nothing but a memorial meal.
Quote from: Donald_Kirchner on October 25, 2021, 08:06:48 AMQuote from: Brian Stoffregen on October 25, 2021, 01:38:41 AMI believe that Christ is truly present in the sacrament even among those Christians who see it as nothing but a memorial meal. Lutherans do not.