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Re: Ben Carson on politics and cultural division
« Reply #60 on: October 17, 2021, 04:49:02 PM »
The problem is when doings things that not everyone can do is called racist. It isnít racist. It might not be good school policy, but it certainly isnít a racist policy. In virtually everything from food and clothing to legal defense and education, having money makes it easier. That has zero to do with race. The race card is only in play because every area where having money might be an advantage becomes a moral justification for socialism when it is made to be about race.

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Re: Ben Carson on politics and cultural division
« Reply #61 on: October 17, 2021, 07:29:15 PM »
According to the dictionary: "woke" means: "alert to injustice in society, especially racism."....

I'm afraid that those who are anti-wokeness are throwing out the baby with the bath water.

I believe that we should be aware of racism in our society or any other prejudicial practice that unfairly treats people (e.g. deliberately demeans them, harms them, etc.).  No argument there.  But 'wokeism' appears to take that awareness to levels that are beyond what seems true and reasonable.  It sometimes appears that everything is racist and prejudicial.  For example, recently schools in both Michigan and Oregon cancelled Halloween parades because they were seen as racist. Valentine's Day was cancelled due to 'inclusivity issues.'  Dr. Seuss, a childhood staple, is now racist and thus cancelled.  To question anything held sacred by those deemed to be sufficiently 'woke' is to be cancelled and accused of being a racist, a homophobe, etc. Religious convictions are permitted and tolerated only if they fit within the current definitions created by the 'woke' people.  There is 'alert' and then there is what we now have.


And sometimes accusations of racisms are a bit unfounded. At least according to what I read, a bigger reason for cancelling Halloween parades in grade schools was economics. It discriminated against the students who couldn't afford costumes. (It may be that many of the poorer students are also of minority races, but the race issue was not the primary one.) Valentine's Day was cancelled in many places because of COVID concerns. As I recall only six of Dr. Seuss's books were deemed unacceptable by the publisher. I've also seen writers and publishers alter words to hymns because of gender issues. The UCC's New Century Hymnal of 1995 did a lot of that - more than many people found acceptable.

I had heard the economic reason, as well.  But according to this logic proms should also be cancelled, since the wearing of formal attire, whether a rented tux, as in my day, or some other arrangement, does involve some outlay of money, not to mention flowers, dinners, etc.  Given that some families might not have as much to pay out for such things, it would then be more equitable to cancel the whole thing.  But this logic takes us down a 'rabbit hole' of sorts where any time a sense of inequity is sensed the event is deemed a disadvantage to some group and harmful to observe.

Our emerging 'woke' and 'cancel' culture seems to know no end.  Nothing I knew before seems safe or equitable or fair to someone of a protected class. 
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Re: Ben Carson on politics and cultural division
« Reply #62 on: October 18, 2021, 01:23:22 AM »
According to the dictionary: "woke" means: "alert to injustice in society, especially racism."....

I'm afraid that those who are anti-wokeness are throwing out the baby with the bath water.

I believe that we should be aware of racism in our society or any other prejudicial practice that unfairly treats people (e.g. deliberately demeans them, harms them, etc.).  No argument there.  But 'wokeism' appears to take that awareness to levels that are beyond what seems true and reasonable.  It sometimes appears that everything is racist and prejudicial.  For example, recently schools in both Michigan and Oregon cancelled Halloween parades because they were seen as racist. Valentine's Day was cancelled due to 'inclusivity issues.'  Dr. Seuss, a childhood staple, is now racist and thus cancelled.  To question anything held sacred by those deemed to be sufficiently 'woke' is to be cancelled and accused of being a racist, a homophobe, etc. Religious convictions are permitted and tolerated only if they fit within the current definitions created by the 'woke' people.  There is 'alert' and then there is what we now have.


And sometimes accusations of racisms are a bit unfounded. At least according to what I read, a bigger reason for cancelling Halloween parades in grade schools was economics. It discriminated against the students who couldn't afford costumes. (It may be that many of the poorer students are also of minority races, but the race issue was not the primary one.) Valentine's Day was cancelled in many places because of COVID concerns. As I recall only six of Dr. Seuss's books were deemed unacceptable by the publisher. I've also seen writers and publishers alter words to hymns because of gender issues. The UCC's New Century Hymnal of 1995 did a lot of that - more than many people found acceptable.

I had heard the economic reason, as well.  But according to this logic proms should also be cancelled, since the wearing of formal attire, whether a rented tux, as in my day, or some other arrangement, does involve some outlay of money, not to mention flowers, dinners, etc.  Given that some families might not have as much to pay out for such things, it would then be more equitable to cancel the whole thing.  But this logic takes us down a 'rabbit hole' of sorts where any time a sense of inequity is sensed the event is deemed a disadvantage to some group and harmful to observe.

Our emerging 'woke' and 'cancel' culture seems to know no end.  Nothing I knew before seems safe or equitable or fair to someone of a protected class.


Proms are not during school time. Halloween parties usually are. Students donít have to attend proms. I didnít always go to proms. The two years one son went, he bought suits at the thrift store for $3.00 one year he covered the coat with duct tape. The next year he tie dyed the suit. Of course, in Wyoming, nothing is too formal.
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Re: Ben Carson on politics and cultural division
« Reply #64 on: October 19, 2021, 08:01:26 AM »
It never ends. Brian's winning.  🙄

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But.....but......but...........there's no actual bias in news reporting.

The truth is, this is precisely what they have always done, at least my entire adult life.  And literally everyone knows it.  Especially the gaslighting liars who pretend it's not happening.  They're saying it out loud and defending it.  That, at least, is a good start toward fixing the problem.  Because when the people doing it admit it, it's harder for those who benefit from it to pretend otherwise.

Not that I don't expect them to try.  We've heard the laughable "maybe Republicans really are terrible and that's why coverage is slanted" nonsense here in the past several weeks, for example.
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Re: Ben Carson on politics and cultural division
« Reply #65 on: October 19, 2021, 12:27:42 PM »
Perhaps the meme of excusing Pres. Biden's short comings as "well, at least he isn't Trump" has run it's course. He may have run on a platform of "At least I'm not Trump" but that is not adequate for governing which is what we elect a president to do.
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