Started by Svensen, September 18, 2021, 10:58:45 PM
Quote from: Charles Austin on September 25, 2021, 02:27:49 PMPeter's phrase:'...imposed by the coercive power of state that is contrary to liberty."I ponder:And just what is this "coercive power"? Passing laws? Federal regulations on such things as safety and health? Any kind of taxation, especially on businesses and industries? Exactly how is this "coercive power" exercise?And "contrary to liberty". What kind of liberty? To whose liberty, the liberty of people with money? We all want some "liberties"that are not good or healthy for our neighbors.If one chooses to reside in this country, is one not voluntarily accepting how this country decides it will order itself?
Quote from: peter_speckhard on September 26, 2021, 08:29:57 AMSchool are not a necessary function of government. Listing all the branches of the military separately indeed gives you a longer list, but is still just defense. Many fire departments are volunteer. Some of things on your list, like the EPA, didn't exist for a good deal of our history, so they cannot be said to be necessary functions of government other than that if you're going to have one, it has to be government. Why? Because without coercive power it can't do its job. There are a lot of good things government can do. But they all require coerced participation. Therefore, those who value liberty tend to prefer the government forgo doing unnecessary things even if they are in general beneficial. People who value material security tend to want the government to do more even at the cost of liberty.
Quote from: peter_speckhard on September 26, 2021, 08:29:57 AMSchools are not a necessary function of government.
Quote from: Charles Austin on September 26, 2021, 08:56:40 AMSo Caring for our natural resources when they are in danger is not the job of the government? And yes, the EPA was not necessary in 1789. Does that make it invalid today? In 1860, people died of phony medication. Does that make the FDA unnecessary today?
Quote from: Brian Stoffregen on September 26, 2021, 01:51:22 AMIf one doesn't like paying taxes, stop earning so much money. Move to a state that doesn't have sales tax.
Quote from: peter_speckhard on September 26, 2021, 02:35:01 PMI would be healthier eating meals prescribed by the FDA.
Quote from: D. Engebretson on September 26, 2021, 01:06:49 PMQuote from: peter_speckhard on September 26, 2021, 08:29:57 AMSchools are not a necessary function of government. I know we have discussed and debated the idea of the public school system before. In principle I am not against it. My three children when to a public high school. A lot of good people teach at these schools, and a lot of good people send their children there. But I am fearing that the public school system, as well as the public university system, is becoming more and more an extension of the government with regard to indoctrination of social mores and accepted social constructs. And I'm not referring to the usual mores and constructs that required civil behavior that did not engage in physical harm or verbal abuse. We are clearly a divided country on a long list of issues, and the government more and more seems intent in closing that gap of division by enacting laws of social conformity and through an educational system of indoctrination. And this is already having an impact on the educational choices families are making. Many families are looking to alternatives such a home schooling and church-based schools. There is an annual homeschooling growth rate of 2%-8%. By the end of last year as many as 9 million children were being homeschooled. For more statistics, etc. see: https://admissionsly.com/homeschooling-statistics/If the government is considered ultimately responsible for the pre-college education of our youth, this has implications, as well, on how they are going to treat these alternative forms of education. For if the U.S. Department of Education considers it their duty to not only set academic standards, but also social standards, then it's only a matter of time before greater control in that area will extend to home schooling and religious schools. I'm not sure how they would do it in the former case, other than demanding documentation that certain instruction takes place with submitted reports/tests, etc. So, I would obviously prefer less, not more control of the government in the area of education.