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Brian Stoffregen

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Re: When “homosexuals” entered the Bible.
« Reply #135 on: March 18, 2021, 06:54:58 PM »
Yes, the Jews rejected Jesus as Messiah, and especially those who were well-versed in their Scriptures: Pharisees, scribes, and priests.

Stupid Andrew! Misleading his brother. (John 1:41)

Oh, wait... Andrew was a Jew. ?? What the ... ? Oh, okay. He was just kidding around with Simon. It's all good.


Andrew and Peter, and for that matter, none of the twelve were "Pharisees, scribes, or priests," those who were well-versed in scripture. As fishermen, it's likely they were illiterate.

You wrote:

"Yes, the Jews rejected Jesus as Messiah..."

Then:  "...and especially those who were well-versed in their Scriptures: Pharisees, scribes, and priests."

Andrew and Peter, and the rest of the twelve for that matter, were Jews.

As for your particular category,  stupid Pharisee Paul misleading the world. And stupid Pharisee/Saint Nicodemus being misled to the point of assisting in a "" royal" burial of Jesus.

And the crowd who yelled, "Crucify him," were also Jews.

Consider my use of "the Jews" to be like that of the Gospel of John. The meaning is really "some of the Jews," or "the Jewish leadership." Not all of the Jews. BTW, I am Jewish (through my mother). Her grandfather help start the first Orthodox Synagogue in Seattle in the late 1800s.

Well, you aren't the apostle John.



I assumed: (1) that you read the gospel of John and recognized that "the Jews" was a term that was used only of certain Jews who opposed Jesus; and not a term for the apostles who followed Jesus; and (2) that understanding would carry over into other things you read. I'm sorry that I gave you too much credit to understand what I wrote. I'll try to be more careful.



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So, you should be more specific and not attempt to evade and change categories, i.e., "Andrew and Peter, and for that matter, none of the twelve were "Pharisees, scribes, or priests,"..."


First of all, in Mark, the earliest Gospel, there were no Jews or Gentiles following Jesus at the end. He wasn't the messiah they were expecting. (The other gospels have different endings.) Secondly, I had clarified and narrowed my category earlier when I wrote: "those who were well-versed in their Scriptures: Pharisees, scribes, and priests." These were the primary sources of opposition to Jesus.
"The church … had made us like ill-taught piano students; we play our songs, but we never really hear them, because our main concern is not to make music, but but to avoid some flub that will get us in dutch." [Robert Capon, _Between Noon and Three_, p. 148]