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Equality Act
« on: February 26, 2021, 11:11:07 AM »
Yesterday the House passed their Equality Act.  This saddens me and angers me with the righteous anger of the Lord.
I encourage everyone to read the following at thefederalist.com:
5 Things You Need To Know About The Extremist ‘Equality Act’ House Democrats Just Passed
Lord, have mercy!

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Re: Equality Act
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2021, 11:40:58 AM »
Here is the actual bill and the reasons it was presented.


https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/5/text
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Re: Equality Act
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2021, 12:22:33 PM »
Here's what the Women's Liberation Front (a non-profit radical feminist organization, according to Wikipedia) has to say about this bill:

https://www.womensliberationfront.org/news/housetovoteonequalityact?eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=b101a5ee-0c68-4823-ac11-049b66446841


"This bill tragically attempts to prohibit sex discrimination by forbidding the law to see sex. A law, and courts, that cannot see sex objectively, also cannot address sex discrimination or protect the bodily privacy rights and dignity of Americans in those circumstances where sex matters immensely. "

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Re: Equality Act
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2021, 12:22:55 PM »


Do you favor discriminating against the people cited in law in "restaurants, senior centers, stores, places of or establishments that provide entertainment, health, including care facilities, shelters, government offices, youth service providers including adoption and foster care providers, and transportation. Forms of discrimination include the exclusion and denial of entry, unequal or unfair treatment, harassment, and violence"?
And so long as this thread is started by someone whose real name we do not know, I suggest we all avoid further comment. Anonymity is no longer permitted in this august forum.
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Re: Equality Act
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2021, 12:28:28 PM »
Here's what the Women's Liberation Front (a non-profit radical feminist organization, according to Wikipedia) has to say about this bill:

https://www.womensliberationfront.org/news/housetovoteonequalityact?eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=b101a5ee-0c68-4823-ac11-049b66446841


"This bill tragically attempts to prohibit sex discrimination by forbidding the law to see sex. A law, and courts, that cannot see sex objectively, also cannot address sex discrimination or protect the bodily privacy rights and dignity of Americans in those circumstances where sex matters immensely. "

This is the thing about modern society that bothers me most, as the father of three girls.  I'm being asked to accept as "progress" the notion that their femininity does not exist except as a malleable and adaptable social construct, and therefore I am asked to accept the erasure of their being.

It is monstrous.  Yet it is posited as compassionate.  It is anything but.
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Re: Equality Act
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2021, 12:29:12 PM »
[Vice President] Harris tweeted in August 2019, "The freedom to worship is one of our nation's most cherished and fundamental rights—but it should never be used to discriminate or undermine other Americans' civil rights."
https://www.newsmax.com/politics/kamala-harris-religious-freedom-first-amendment/2020/08/12/id/98

Is the Equality Act just a protection of someone’s civil rights or also an attack on religious freedom to act on one’s beliefs?  The First Amendment words: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or the free exercise thereof.”  Is the free exercise of religion limited to the freedom to worship as you wish within your church, mosque, or synagogue building as suggested by Vice President Harris’ tweet of August 2019?

One provision in HR5 Equality Act that raises concerns is:
SEC. 1107. CLAIMS.
“The Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993 (42 U.S.C. 2000bb et seq.) shall not provide a claim concerning, or a defense to a claim under, a covered title, or provide a basis for challenging the application or enforcement of a covered title.”.
Which overturns the provision of Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993 (42 U.S.C. 2000bb et seq.)
(c) JUDICIAL RELIEF.— A person whose religious exercise has been burdened in violation of this section may assert that violation as a claim or defense in a judicial proceeding and obtain appropriate relief against a government. Standing to assert a claim or defense under this section shall be governed by the general rules of standing under article III of the Constitution.
https://www.congress.gov/103/statute/STATUTE-107/STATUTE-107-Pg1488.pdf

The Equality Act removes the legal protections under the Religious Freedom Restoration Act.  The Equality Act raises the questions:
•   What Lutheran churches, schools, or other institutions facilities will be ruled as public accommodations?
•   What receipt of federal funding such as grants or student loan programs (possibly tax-exempt status) would place religious institutions under the Act?
•   What about men only clergy, could a biological woman who gender identifies as a man sue a Lutheran church for discrimination?
•   What liability could Lutheran pastors and teachers face for teaching that God created only two genders given biologically at birth (Genesis 1:27) and / or provide counseling for individuals to leave the LGBTQ lifestyle?

I asked those on this forum who do not share these concerns to consider the precedent that HR 5 – Equality Act creates.  Are there any rights in the Bill of Rights you would hate to lose?  Once the government uses the Equality Act to crush those who oppose its provisions there will be less people to support you in preserving any rights you cherish.  Consider:
Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) was a prominent Lutheran pastor in Germany.  Niemöller is perhaps best remembered for the quotation:
“First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.”
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/martin-niemoeller-first-they-came-for-the-socialists
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Re: Equality Act
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2021, 12:41:42 PM »
Barring some direct revelation, paspase (and what's with the anonymity?), I would be wary of claiming for oneself "the righteous anger of the Lord." Dangerous territory, there.

Do you favor discriminating against the people cited in law in "restaurants, senior centers, stores, places of or establishments that provide entertainment, health, including care facilities, shelters, government offices, youth service providers including adoption and foster care providers, and transportation. Forms of discrimination include the exclusion and denial of entry, unequal or unfair treatment, harassment, and violence"?
And so long as this thread is started by someone whose real name we do not know, I suggest we all avoid further comment. Anonymity is no longer permitted in this august forum.

Are you in favor of your wife being allowed to insist that only someone of the same sex be able to:

Perform security pat-downs or strip searches?
Handle intimate care for hospital and long-term care patients?
Chaperone a doctor or medical assistant who is providing such care?
Perform intimate medical examinations?

This bill effectively takes away her right to do so, because it allows self-declared gender identity to take precedence over and replace sex as a protected category.


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Re: Equality Act
« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2021, 01:35:50 PM »
[Vice President] Harris tweeted in August 2019, "The freedom to worship is one of our nation's most cherished and fundamental rights—but it should never be used to discriminate or undermine other Americans' civil rights."
https://www.newsmax.com/politics/kamala-harris-religious-freedom-first-amendment/2020/08/12/id/98

Is the Equality Act just a protection of someone’s civil rights or also an attack on religious freedom to act on one’s beliefs?  The First Amendment words: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or the free exercise thereof.”  Is the free exercise of religion limited to the freedom to worship as you wish within your church, mosque, or synagogue building as suggested by Vice President Harris’ tweet of August 2019?

One provision in HR5 Equality Act that raises concerns is:
SEC. 1107. CLAIMS.
“The Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993 (42 U.S.C. 2000bb et seq.) shall not provide a claim concerning, or a defense to a claim under, a covered title, or provide a basis for challenging the application or enforcement of a covered title.”.
Which overturns the provision of Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993 (42 U.S.C. 2000bb et seq.)
(c) JUDICIAL RELIEF.— A person whose religious exercise has been burdened in violation of this section may assert that violation as a claim or defense in a judicial proceeding and obtain appropriate relief against a government. Standing to assert a claim or defense under this section shall be governed by the general rules of standing under article III of the Constitution.
https://www.congress.gov/103/statute/STATUTE-107/STATUTE-107-Pg1488.pdf

The Equality Act removes the legal protections under the Religious Freedom Restoration Act.  The Equality Act raises the questions:
•   What Lutheran churches, schools, or other institutions facilities will be ruled as public accommodations?
•   What receipt of federal funding such as grants or student loan programs (possibly tax-exempt status) would place religious institutions under the Act?
•   What about men only clergy, could a biological woman who gender identifies as a man sue a Lutheran church for discrimination?
•   What liability could Lutheran pastors and teachers face for teaching that God created only two genders given biologically at birth (Genesis 1:27) and / or provide counseling for individuals to leave the LGBTQ lifestyle?

I asked those on this forum who do not share these concerns to consider the precedent that HR 5 – Equality Act creates.  Are there any rights in the Bill of Rights you would hate to lose?  Once the government uses the Equality Act to crush those who oppose its provisions there will be less people to support you in preserving any rights you cherish.  Consider:
Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) was a prominent Lutheran pastor in Germany.  Niemöller is perhaps best remembered for the quotation:
“First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.”
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/martin-niemoeller-first-they-came-for-the-socialists

Thanks you, Mr. Ames, for providing the text of the Equality Act that overrides the Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993.  I don't know how we can avoid the conclusion that this constitutes an attack on the Christian Church in the United States.

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Re: Equality Act
« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2021, 01:52:35 PM »
God gave us our designated sex at birth.  He made us male or female.  God never intended
that we have surgery & take drugs to change our designated sex at birth.

 Gender identity is a product of the liberal left which allows for a person to be identified
by his or her appearance or mannerisms & people should have the flexibility to change
their sexual orientation.  In fact, some liberals are pushing for the use of puberty block
to help young children decide whether they want to change the sex they were given at
birth.  The rush to jump on the transgender bandwagon is in full operation.
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Re: Equality Act
« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2021, 02:41:53 PM »
God gave us our designated sex at birth.  He made us male or female.

God gave us our designated sex at our conception.
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Re: Equality Act
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2021, 04:06:05 PM »
It is interesting while we have been discussing the Christian identity of Lutheran colleges and schools on another thread, notice was given of the passing of the Equality Act that might just be a potential death knell to some of these institutions of higher learning.  It could make the question of that identity moot.  The Equality Act would effectively remove religious freedom exemptions and protections previously granted to them, threatening them with possible loss of accreditation, potential lawsuits for non-compliance in hiring practices among other areas, and the loss of access to federal loans for students going to these institutions.

If passed in the Senate - and that is not guaranteed, yet - it would be used to radically change the landscape of both education and businesses that have owners who identity as Christians who oppose many of the things this bill is designed to protect.  If schools and businesses did not comply they would either be sued into submission, or driven out of existence. 

Of course, there are issues that may also produce some reactions from other areas that are not religious in nature. Not all feminists support this bill, which makes them strange bedfellows with religious conservatives.  As Realclear Politics notes: "it threatens to erase protections for women — protections that benefit women and society as a whole."  Men and boys (as born biologically) would potentially now under this billl take away women’s small business grants and positions on sports teams. They could be allowed to live in women’s domestic violence shelters and use their locker rooms. As long as they identify as a woman.  As another source said: It's a Pandora's box of evil.
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Re: Equality Act
« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2021, 04:28:44 PM »
Barring some direct revelation, paspase (and what's with the anonymity?), I would be wary of claiming for oneself "the righteous anger of the Lord." Dangerous territory, there.

Do you favor discriminating against the people cited in law in "restaurants, senior centers, stores, places of or establishments that provide entertainment, health, including care facilities, shelters, government offices, youth service providers including adoption and foster care providers, and transportation. Forms of discrimination include the exclusion and denial of entry, unequal or unfair treatment, harassment, and violence"?
And so long as this thread is started by someone whose real name we do not know, I suggest we all avoid further comment. Anonymity is no longer permitted in this august forum.

Are you in favor of your wife being allowed to insist that only someone of the same sex be able to:

Perform security pat-downs or strip searches?
Handle intimate care for hospital and long-term care patients?
Chaperone a doctor or medical assistant who is providing such care?
Perform intimate medical examinations?

This bill effectively takes away her right to do so, because it allows self-declared gender identity to take precedence over and replace sex as a protected category.


Would your wife want a lesbian to pat her down, conduct a strip search, handle intimate care, etc.? How would she know?


Would you insist on a male doctor to remove your appendix? perform a vasectomy?


I don't know who inserted the urinary catheter when I had surgery. I was asleep (thankfully). I know that it was a young female who removed it. At that point, I didn't care. Nothing sexual about it. Just a medical procedure.
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Re: Equality Act
« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2021, 04:51:10 PM »
Unless the Senate blocks it, the "Equality Act" will become law. I pray that Christians will stand firm no matter the cost. We must obey God rather than man. Kyrie eleison!

I finally got an answer to what is meant by the confusing phrase "gender assigned at birth". Who does the "assigning"? The doctor according to one interpretation.

No - the doctor does not decide what sex the baby is. He or she does not "assign" a sex but simply recognizes what the baby already is. God assigns the sex as he wonderfully makes and forms the baby at conception in the womb. We are each male or female as the Creator assigns.

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Re: Equality Act
« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2021, 05:01:47 PM »
Barring some direct revelation, paspase (and what's with the anonymity?), I would be wary of claiming for oneself "the righteous anger of the Lord." Dangerous territory, there.

Do you favor discriminating against the people cited in law in "restaurants, senior centers, stores, places of or establishments that provide entertainment, health, including care facilities, shelters, government offices, youth service providers including adoption and foster care providers, and transportation. Forms of discrimination include the exclusion and denial of entry, unequal or unfair treatment, harassment, and violence"?
And so long as this thread is started by someone whose real name we do not know, I suggest we all avoid further comment. Anonymity is no longer permitted in this august forum.

Are you in favor of your wife being allowed to insist that only someone of the same sex be able to:

Perform security pat-downs or strip searches?
Handle intimate care for hospital and long-term care patients?
Chaperone a doctor or medical assistant who is providing such care?
Perform intimate medical examinations?

This bill effectively takes away her right to do so, because it allows self-declared gender identity to take precedence over and replace sex as a protected category.


Would your wife want a lesbian to pat her down, conduct a strip search, handle intimate care, etc.? How would she know?


Would you insist on a male doctor to remove your appendix? perform a vasectomy?


I don't know who inserted the urinary catheter when I had surgery. I was asleep (thankfully). I know that it was a young female who removed it. At that point, I didn't care. Nothing sexual about it. Just a medical procedure.

The point you apparently missed is that currently (if so inclined) your wife CAN insist that someone of a specific gender do these things. 

If the equality act passes, she loses that ability.

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Re: Equality Act
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2021, 07:42:29 PM »

What on earth does the gender of a healthcare provider have to do with whether that person, it properly qualified, can provide the care that I need? And if I am in dire, or urgent need of medical care, why would I reject the care of a doctor because of their gender?
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