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Steven W Bohler

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Re: Public school funding and education "in loco parentis."
« Reply #15 on: October 24, 2020, 03:26:28 PM »
The point Beloved Spouse was making, Pastor Bohler, is that you, in your church-run school, can simply say "out!" and the miscreant or bad dude or dudette is out.
If you don't do that for risk of offending a big donor to the church or the council member who votes on your salary, or because it would be a "public relations" difficulty, that's your problem. You could do it, along with your parish school board, if you have one. There is no civil law, no complex set of regulations established by state and local politicians, which governs what must happen to permanently expel a student.

And public schools likewise can expel students.  It probably is written right there in every school district's manuals -- the reasons and procedures for suspension and expulsion.  Now, if they don't actually follow through for this reason or that, then that is their problem.  Right?
But it is a much bigger procedural nightmare in the context of rights rather than privileges. There is more presumed antagonism between the players involved. The same might be said of getting rid of a bad teacher; much easier at the private school. When my wife taught at one of the most prestigious private high schools in the St. Louis area (John Burroughs) the teachers worked on one year contracts. If they didn't want you back, you didn't come back.  That meant they could be dedicated to educational excellence in word and deed as opposed to just word. Public school administrators have a far harder time getting rid of the bad apples in the teaching ranks, too.

Rights vs privileges.  OK, I wil grant that.  But let's take an example: Student A roughs up Student B on the playground.  Would that be grounds for expulsion in a parochial school?  Yes.  A public school?  I would assume so.  Rev. Austin's comment was that if there is a behavior problem at a parochial school, they can just "throw out" the student.  Well, so can the public school.  Is it easy to do at either?  No.  Perhaps for different reasons, but still difficult.  At both, not just the public school. 

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Re: Public school funding and education "in loco parentis."
« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2020, 05:54:36 PM »
Not at our parochial school. But of course, when people are encouraged by a substantial number of mainstream voices to think their violence is justified, that too, is part of the poison in the culture.


In your Bible classes do you skip over the flood, the plagues, Joshua and the conquest of Canaan, the wars of the Judges, the violence in Samuels and Kings? Violence is certainly part of our Jewish/Christian history - and it is justified. It is part of God's justice on a sinful people. We can look at Jesus in the temple. Don't we believe that his violence was justified?


What do you say to your military friends? Is it wrong for them to think that their violence is justified?
"The church had made us like ill-taught piano students; we play our songs, but we never really hear them, because our main concern is not to make music, but but to avoid some flub that will get us in dutch." [Robert Capon, _Between Noon and Three_, p. 148]