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Re: Youth Catechesis Question
« Reply #90 on: October 14, 2020, 08:13:41 AM »
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Singing-Catechism-A-Musical-Translation-Of-Luthers-Catechism-By-John-Schultz/324062015823?hash=item4b7399f14f:g:3WIAAOSwqwxeN5kU

My old copy cost $0.85 when I bought it new.

These is also this: https://www.cph.org/p-3422-sing-the-faith-cd.aspx

It's interesting to hear the different styles and approaches. Sing the Faith seems to be prepared for elementary children and has a more traditional, even classical sound.

The faith inc. songs appear to be for an older audience and have a contemporary worship style. What I've heard seems more thematic than word for word from a catechism but perhaps someone more familiar with the program can fill us in.

That there are so many just musical versions of the Small Catechism over generations speaks to the genius of Luther in producing it. 500 years old and going strong!!!

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Re: Youth Catechesis Question
« Reply #91 on: October 14, 2020, 01:36:22 PM »
Separate from Singing Catechism, Ylvisaker also recorded a rap version of the Ten Commandments, the words are below.


The Rapt Commandments
text: John Ylvisaker; tune: American Blues

1          Now God gave a law to the Israelites,
                        commands that would help in their journey thru the night.
            We have a world that could use the same advice,
                        that God gave Moses and the Israelites.
            The first is a rule that we soon forgot,
                        that God is a God -- not a planet or a rock.
            We have a God that created with a thought,
                        and that is something that we soon forgot.

refrain (call and response style):
            You should fear and love God.
                        We don't know how to do it!
            You should fear and love God.
                        We never had a clue!
            You should fear and love God.
                        There's really nuthin' to it!
            You should fear and love God.
                        In ev'rything we do!

2          So law number two is about your tongue,
                        the law has to do with the True and Holy One.
            The name of God is as awesome as the Sun,
                        and that's why this is all about your tongue.
            The third is a law that you could obey;
                        just show your respect for a high and holy day.
            It's only nat'ral to try another way,
                        but life gets heavy when we disobey.  refrain

3          The next is a law with a promise there,
                        a long happy life if we honor those who care.
            It doesn't mean that it's easy or it's fair,
                        but God has given us a promise there.
            To kill is a crime and we know it's true;
                        to kill is a crime of the highest magnitude.
            But Jesus said that our hatred can accrue;
                        it's just as deadly and we know it's true. refrain

4          Now, law number six causes great debate;
                        the Lord made us all with a need to propagate.
            But if we do we should do it with our mate,
                        the world gets weary of this great debate.
            The next has to do with an itchy hand;
                        a sign that we've got lots of trouble in the land.
            So do your best and obey the Lord's command,
                        and work like crazy with those itchy hands. refrain

5          I know there's a need for an alibi,
                        but how do you feel when you hear a person lie?
            You know it's hard just to look 'em in the eye,
                        so use the truth and not an alibi.
            We've come to the end of this decalogue;
                        there's one extra thing -- well, it's just a minor flaw.
            Be satisfied, be content with what you've got,
                        and keep on rappin' on the decalogue.  refrain

Used by permission. 1991 John Ylvisaker, Box 321, Waverly, Iowa 50677
"The church had made us like ill-taught piano students; we play our songs, but we never really hear them, because our main concern is not to make music, but but to avoid some flub that will get us in dutch." [Robert Capon, _Between Noon and Three_, p. 148]

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Re: Youth Catechesis Question
« Reply #92 on: October 14, 2020, 06:33:39 PM »
Separate from Singing Catechism, Ylvisaker also recorded a rap version of the Ten Commandments, the words are below.


The Rapt Commandments
text: John Ylvisaker; tune: American Blues

1          Now God gave a law to the Israelites,
                        commands that would help in their journey thru the night.
            We have a world that could use the same advice,
                        that God gave Moses and the Israelites.
            The first is a rule that we soon forgot,
                        that God is a God -- not a planet or a rock.
            We have a God that created with a thought,
                        and that is something that we soon forgot.

refrain (call and response style):
            You should fear and love God.
                        We don't know how to do it!
            You should fear and love God.
                        We never had a clue!
            You should fear and love God.
                        There's really nuthin' to it!
            You should fear and love God.
                        In ev'rything we do!

2          So law number two is about your tongue,
                        the law has to do with the True and Holy One.
            The name of God is as awesome as the Sun,
                        and that's why this is all about your tongue.
            The third is a law that you could obey;
                        just show your respect for a high and holy day.
            It's only nat'ral to try another way,
                        but life gets heavy when we disobey.  refrain

3          The next is a law with a promise there,
                        a long happy life if we honor those who care.
            It doesn't mean that it's easy or it's fair,
                        but God has given us a promise there.
            To kill is a crime and we know it's true;
                        to kill is a crime of the highest magnitude.
            But Jesus said that our hatred can accrue;
                        it's just as deadly and we know it's true. refrain

4          Now, law number six causes great debate;
                        the Lord made us all with a need to propagate.
            But if we do we should do it with our mate,
                        the world gets weary of this great debate.
            The next has to do with an itchy hand;
                        a sign that we've got lots of trouble in the land.
            So do your best and obey the Lord's command,
                        and work like crazy with those itchy hands. refrain

5          I know there's a need for an alibi,
                        but how do you feel when you hear a person lie?
            You know it's hard just to look 'em in the eye,
                        so use the truth and not an alibi.
            We've come to the end of this decalogue;
                        there's one extra thing -- well, it's just a minor flaw.
            Be satisfied, be content with what you've got,
                        and keep on rappin' on the decalogue.  refrain

Used by permission. 1991 John Ylvisaker, Box 321, Waverly, Iowa 50677

Thanks. Helpful to show Ylvisaker's range and approach.
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Re: Youth Catechesis Question
« Reply #93 on: October 15, 2020, 01:58:12 AM »
Thanks. Helpful to show Ylvisaker's range and approach.


I'm working on the 13 songs in Singing Catechism to get them in an electronic form that can sent electronically.
"The church had made us like ill-taught piano students; we play our songs, but we never really hear them, because our main concern is not to make music, but but to avoid some flub that will get us in dutch." [Robert Capon, _Between Noon and Three_, p. 148]

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« Reply #94 on: October 15, 2020, 04:30:42 PM »
Thanks. Helpful to show Ylvisaker's range and approach.


I'm working on the 13 songs in Singing Catechism to get them in an electronic form that can sent electronically.


The Singing Catechism (probably with some mistakes) as a pdf file.


The Decalogue
The Lord, Your God
Love God, Love Your Neighbor

The Apostles' Creed
God Made Me - 1st Article
True God, True Man 2nd Article
The Spirit-Life - 3rd Article

The Lord's Prayer
Holy Life - Introduction & 1st Petition
His Kingdom, His Will - 2nd & 3rd Petitions
Give and Forgive - 4th & 5th Petitions
King of Love - 6th & 7th Petitions

The Sacrament of Baptism
His Mercy Flows

The Sacrament of Holy Communion
Bread and Wine
"The church had made us like ill-taught piano students; we play our songs, but we never really hear them, because our main concern is not to make music, but but to avoid some flub that will get us in dutch." [Robert Capon, _Between Noon and Three_, p. 148]

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« Reply #95 on: October 15, 2020, 08:30:01 PM »
Looks like Ylvisaker takes a thematic rather than a word-for-word approach.
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« Reply #96 on: October 15, 2020, 10:50:37 PM »
Looks like Ylvisaker takes a thematic rather than a word-for-word approach.


He didn't write the lyrics. They were by John Schultz. (I don't know who he is.) Yes, he expresses the ideas of the catechism - and pretty well, in my opinion. A problem with a word-for-word approach is which English translation should one use. There has been three or four over my 40+ years of ministry.
"The church had made us like ill-taught piano students; we play our songs, but we never really hear them, because our main concern is not to make music, but but to avoid some flub that will get us in dutch." [Robert Capon, _Between Noon and Three_, p. 148]

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« Reply #97 on: October 23, 2020, 09:59:55 AM »
I have completed five video-based lessons on the Third Article of the Apostles' Creed and Luther's explanation. They are now organized into a playlist, including a word-for-word memory work song. Here is the link:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLm2Aj8l7nI8SRjg_802K1JxJxHIlCf850

I have also uploaded a memory work song for Luther's explanation to the Second Article of the Creed, which is linked below.

https://youtu.be/UlrDfF4zNz8

Had my first lesson with students. Everything went smooth as glass, thanks be to God. After the students watched the video and completed the workbook lesson, here is the outline we used over Zoom:

Highs and Lows, to learn how the kids were doing.
Prayer, which addressed matters raised in the highs and lows.
Workbook review of the questions and their answers.
Memory work.
Closing prayer.
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« Reply #98 on: November 11, 2020, 02:13:20 PM »
Three new videos on the Lord's Prayer, covering through the First Petition. I've not had opportunity to record final versions of the songs for the Lord's Prayer yet. Perhaps later this week.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLF4FiQgfKr48eyLQt9QRwQ/
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« Reply #99 on: November 11, 2020, 03:18:28 PM »
Since I live in a rural area of limited internet and questionable internet and resources of my students, I elected to post narrated Powerpoint presentations of about 15 minutes in length.  They are easier to upload.  It was also the way lessons were posted to the Blackboard site of Concordia University - St. Paul, when I taught online for them this past winter (asynchronous format).
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« Reply #100 on: November 11, 2020, 08:15:14 PM »
Since I live in a rural area of limited internet and questionable internet and resources of my students, I elected to post narrated Powerpoint presentations of about 15 minutes in length.  They are easier to upload.  It was also the way lessons were posted to the Blackboard site of Concordia University - St. Paul, when I taught online for them this past winter (asynchronous format).

Don, is your work publicly available?
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