Rev. Dr. R. Guy Erwin Named United Lutheran Seminary President

Started by David Becker, June 09, 2020, 05:47:43 PM

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Steven Tibbetts

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Quote from: David Becker on June 09, 2020, 05:47:43 PM
https://www.unitedlutheranseminary.edu/about/president-erwin

On one hand, it will be good to have scholar in that position, and President-elect Erwin is a good one. He's also actually Lutheran, which is a good thing for "United Lutheran Seminary."  And several times on this forum I've spoken of the personal connections he and I have that began when he became Interim Pastor at my home congregation, serving as my mother's pastor.  And by all accounts, he was a good pastor for them.

On the other hand, as a man married to another man who believes and teaches that this is nothing to repent of, he is by definition a wicked priest.  Furthermore, the circumstances of his ordination, particularly given the Conference of Bishops' consistent practice regarding first calls (his first "call" was from the Synod to his already long-held professorship at Cal Lutheran, one for which before 2010 the COB would have brushed off his ordination without a thought), deeply, deeply offends me -- one who has long supported non-stipendiary, part-time, and non-congregational calls.

In the end, his election as President of what remains of what was once the premier Lutheran seminary in this hemisphere is yet one more instance in which ELCA leadership demonstrates that "trust" is a word void of any meaning whatsoever in this church.

Kyrie eleison.  Christe eleison.  Kyrie eleison.

Steven+
The Rev. Steven Paul Tibbetts, STS
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Dave Likeness

Guy Erwin and his husband Robert Flynn will advance the cause of married homosexuals
as they distort God's institution of marriage intended for one male and one female.

The press release blathers how they will be a blessing to the United Lutheran Seminary.
Who really believes that the Lord will bless the seminary presidency of a married homosexual?
The ELCA has earned the label of being a denomination which teaches contrary to the Bible.

J. Thomas Shelley

This might be viewed as the logical conclusion of Schmuckerite syncretism and unionism.

Pr. Tibbetts, I trust you were referring the Philadelphia as the "premier" institution.

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James J Eivan

Quote from: Dave Likeness on June 10, 2020, 12:43:59 AM
Guy Erwin and his husband Robert Flynn will advance the cause of married homosexuals
as they distort God's institution of marriage intended for one male and one female.

The press release blathers how they will be a blessing to the United Lutheran Seminary.
Who really believes that the Lord will bless the seminary presidency of a married homosexual?
The ELCA has earned the label of being a denomination which teaches contrary to the Bible.

Sounds like this guy has been out of the closet for quite some time ... wondering whether the vetting process missed any skeletons in the closed as were missed in the last ULS president's closet🧐😨😲

Brian Stoffregen

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Quote from: peter_speckhard on June 09, 2020, 10:00:28 PM
So he had a mother-in-law without being married?


A theory is that he had been married. His wife died. That gave him the freedom to leave everything to follow Jesus. He still had a mother-in-law.


QuoteThe "words in Timothy" are Paul's.


I don't believe that they came from Paul.

QuotePaul "wishes" everyone could remain single, but recognizes most can't live chastely that way, so he recommends marriage for them.


That argument works for homosexuals, too. If they can't live chastely, they should marry.

QuoteThe Apostles were Jewish because they were chosen from among His followers and eye-witnesses of Jesus ministry prior to His death and resurrection.


Apparently Luke didn't agree with your definition. He calls Paul and Barnabas "apostles" in Acts 14:14. We know that Paul was not an eye-witness of Jesus' ministry prior to his death and resurrection.


Paul is often called "an apostle" in the letters (Romans 1:1; 11:13; 1 Cor 1:1; 9:1, 2; 15:9; 2 Cor 1:1; Gal 1:1; Eph 1:1; Col 1:1; 1 Thess 2:7; 1 Tim 1:1; 2:7; 2 Tim 1:1, 11; Tit 1:1; and others who did not meet that requirement: Andronicus and Junia in Romans 16:7; Titus in 2 Cor 8:23 ("messenger" in NRSV); Epaphroditus in Phlp 2:25 ("messenger" in NRSV).
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Jeremy_Loesch

Quote from: Charles Austin on June 09, 2020, 11:55:53 PM
Your words, Jeremy Loesch, are mean and nasty and untrue, and I think you know that.
Shall I begin my commentary on the LCMS based solely on the Comments over on that fringe-y "Lutherquest"?
And now, 11 years after the decision, and when we have come to the place where we are, can you people stop acting being surprised And supposedly "outraged" that we have certain kind of leaders?
I'm no longer surprised that some of your leaders are more Chicago-style political operatives than churchmen.

I'll take the mean and nasty but I don't think untrue fits. Feel free to write that commentary on Lutherquest. I can't imagine there'd be anything too shocking. And comments about LCMS synodical leaders have already been made, recycled, and are back in the queue waiting for the next opportune moment.

Jeremy

Charles Austin

Jeremy Loesch:
And comments about LCMS synodical leaders have already been made, recycled, and are back in the queue waiting for the next opportune moment.
Me:
And I do not haul them out again and again except that I do note your synod has a history of fighting about leaders.
Iowa-born. ELCA pastor, ordained 1967. Former journalist. Retired in Minneapolis. English major. Elitist snob? Probably.

peter_speckhard

Quote from: Charles Austin on June 10, 2020, 06:58:51 AM
Jeremy Loesch:
And comments about LCMS synodical leaders have already been made, recycled, and are back in the queue waiting for the next opportune moment.
Me:
And I do not haul them out again and again except that I do note your synod has a history of fighting about leaders.
2009 was declared a cease-fire. Anyone who said revisionists simply defeated traditionalists was trying to start a fight. Now, anyone who suggests otherwise is just trying to start a fight. We all know that the opinion this man models sexual immorality, distortion of God's Word, and unrepentance has no place In the ELCA. Some official positions are more equal than others.

James J Eivan

Quote from: Charles Austin on June 10, 2020, 06:58:51 AM
Jeremy Loesch:
And comments about LCMS synodical leaders have already been made, recycled, and are back in the queue waiting for the next opportune moment.
Me:
And I do not haul them out again and again except that I do note your synod has a history of fighting about leaders.
Just got to love how some how have NEVER been a member of the LCMS can criticize the LCMS  ... but those who have been part of another unnamed Lutheran denomination but have left are consistently criticized for being critical of their former church body.   


Hypocritical... don't you think.

Jim Butler

Quote from: Charles Austin on June 09, 2020, 11:55:53 PM
Your words, Jeremy Loesch, are mean and nasty and untrue, and I think you know that.
Shall I begin my commentary on the LCMS based solely on the Comments over on that fringe-y "Lutherquest"?
And now, 11 years after the decision, and when we have come to the place where we are, can you people stop acting being surprised And supposedly "outraged" that we have certain kind of leaders?
I'm no longer surprised that some of your leaders are more Chicago-style political operatives than churchmen.

The ELCA's official Facebook page and Twitter account had a prayer to "Mother God." I don't think that is "fringe-y".

When I asked you and Brian if why one could not then use the term 'goddess' neither one of you said why it is heretical; you both simply said you don't do it. Now, maybe you consider yourself and Brian to be "fringe-y", but I'm going based on what you said.

As for "Chicago-style political operatives" you mean like passing a resolution in 2009 which specifically states that bound consciences will be respected and attacking those with bound consciences 10 years later? I could actually have respect if the ELCA officially stated "Get with the LBGT agenda or leave." As it is, that's the actual policy, even though it contravenes the resolution. That's Chicago style politics--from the church body that located in Chicago.
"Pastor Butler... [is] deaf to the cries of people like me, dismissing our concerns as Satanic scenarios, denouncing our faith and our very existence."--Charles Austin

DCharlton

Quote from: Charles Austin on June 09, 2020, 11:55:53 PM
Your words, Jeremy Loesch, are mean and nasty and untrue, and I think you know that.
Shall I begin my commentary on the LCMS based solely on the Comments over on that fringe-y "Lutherquest"?

Haven't you done that several times already?


QuoteAnd now, 11 years after the decision, and when we have come to the place where we are, can you people stop acting being surprised And supposedly "outraged" that we have certain kind of leaders?
I'm no longer surprised that some of your leaders are more Chicago-style political operatives than churchmen.

Wasn't Pastor Fienen doing the very thing you suggest?  And all you did was respond with contempt?  You just can't be satisfied.
David Charlton  

Was Algul Siento a divinity school?

DCharlton

Speaking of Rev. Doctor R. Guy Bishop Erwin, I don't think there is any danger that his regime will be more hostile to students who hold traditional views on marriage than the current regime is.  He might even be more respectful of people with traditional views, if Pastor Tibbett's experience is indicative of his attitude.
David Charlton  

Was Algul Siento a divinity school?

TERJr

Quote from: DCharlton on June 10, 2020, 07:22:00 PM
Speaking of Rev. Doctor R. Guy Bishop Erwin, I don't think there is any danger that his regime will be more hostile to students who hold traditional views on marriage than the current regime is.  He might even be more respectful of people with traditional views, if Pastor Tibbett's experience is indicative of his attitude.

It could turn to be a shrewd decision. He has to raise money or fall into the trap Southern did with LR's Faustian bargain. If he can do that and operate above board, he will be a big improvement. It may also be that he is positioned to be able create some sort of order out of the chaos with students and faculty because none of the usual trump cards can be played (except being cis-gendered, I guess).

Chuck

Quote from: TERJr on June 11, 2020, 09:31:30 AM
Quote from: DCharlton on June 10, 2020, 07:22:00 PM
Speaking of Rev. Doctor R. Guy Bishop Erwin, I don't think there is any danger that his regime will be more hostile to students who hold traditional views on marriage than the current regime is.  He might even be more respectful of people with traditional views, if Pastor Tibbett's experience is indicative of his attitude.

It could turn to be a shrewd decision. He has to raise money or fall into the trap Southern did with LR's Faustian bargain. If he can do that and operate above board, he will be a big improvement. It may also be that he is positioned to be able create some sort of order out of the chaos with students and faculty because none of the usual trump cards can be played (except being cis-gendered, I guess).
Chuck Ruthroff

I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it. —George Bernard Shaw

Brian Stoffregen

Quote from: Chuck on June 11, 2020, 09:48:45 AM
Quote from: TERJr on June 11, 2020, 09:31:30 AM
Quote from: DCharlton on June 10, 2020, 07:22:00 PM
Speaking of Rev. Doctor R. Guy Bishop Erwin, I don't think there is any danger that his regime will be more hostile to students who hold traditional views on marriage than the current regime is.  He might even be more respectful of people with traditional views, if Pastor Tibbett's experience is indicative of his attitude.

It could turn to be a shrewd decision. He has to raise money or fall into the trap Southern did with LR's Faustian bargain. If he can do that and operate above board, he will be a big improvement. It may also be that he is positioned to be able create some sort of order out of the chaos with students and faculty because none of the usual trump cards can be played (except being cis-gendered, I guess).


Hey, Chuck. Did you forget to write something?
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