Rev. Dr. R. Guy Erwin Named United Lutheran Seminary President

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J. Thomas Shelley

Quote from: MEKoch on June 09, 2020, 06:02:48 PM
Another sad day for the ELCA.

Aye.

Another first...both for the appointee and for the ELCA.

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Brian Stoffregen

A good day for the ELCA. He is perhaps the best educated seminary professor we have. A degree from Harvard and advanced degrees from Yale. Studied Lutheranism in Germany. Taught for many years at a Lutheran college before being elected a synod bishop. In contrast, the latest president at Wartburg Seminary, a friend of mine, did not have a Ph.D. and was not listed as "faculty." (She has resigned to move on to another position.) I don't know about the presidents at other seminaries.
I flunked retirement. Serving as a part-time interim in Ferndale, WA.

Charles Austin

MEkoch writes:
Another sad day for the ELCA.
I comment:
Says who? Obviously not those in charge of the seminary, those in the seminary community or the thousands  of ELCA people who elected and celebrated him as bishop. I also notice that he is a rather high level Scholar with more advanced academic degrees than most of our bishops.
As for your opinion....
Iowa-born. Long-time in NY/New Jersey, former LWF staff in Geneva.
ELCA PASTOR, ordained 1967. Former journalist. Retired in Minneapolis.
GUILTY on ALL 34 counts

Dave Likeness

It is interesting that none of the Apostles were gay partnered men.  Christ wanted men
who would be an example of  moral decency as they proclaimed the Gospel message.
The Apostle Paul wrote to Timothy: "an overseer must be above reproach, the husband
of one wife......He must manage his own household well, with all dignity, keeping his
children submissive." (ESV)

Brian Stoffregen

Quote from: Dave Likeness on June 09, 2020, 06:46:36 PM
It is interesting that none of the Apostles were gay partnered men.  Christ wanted men
who would be an example of  moral decency as they proclaimed the Gospel message.
The Apostle Paul wrote to Timothy: "an overseer must be above reproach, the husband
of one wife......He must manage his own household well, with all dignity, keeping his
children submissive." (ESV)


It would seem that none of the apostles were married men. (While Peter had a mother-in-law, there is never any mention of a wife.) In contrast to the words in Timothy, Paul recommends that believers remain single. That way their total devotion would be to the Lord and not shared with a spouse.


None of the apostles were Gentiles, either. Only Jews qualified. Even Timothy, because of a Jewish mother, would have been considered Jewish.
I flunked retirement. Serving as a part-time interim in Ferndale, WA.

Dan Fienen

If he were being proposed for president of CSL no. He wouldn't fit an LCMS institution. For the ELCA he should fit right in.
Pr. Daniel Fienen
LCMS

peter_speckhard

Quote from: Brian Stoffregen on June 09, 2020, 07:12:54 PM
Quote from: Dave Likeness on June 09, 2020, 06:46:36 PM
It is interesting that none of the Apostles were gay partnered men.  Christ wanted men
who would be an example of  moral decency as they proclaimed the Gospel message.
The Apostle Paul wrote to Timothy: "an overseer must be above reproach, the husband
of one wife......He must manage his own household well, with all dignity, keeping his
children submissive." (ESV)


It would seem that none of the apostles were married men. (While Peter had a mother-in-law, there is never any mention of a wife.) In contrast to the words in Timothy, Paul recommends that believers remain single. That way their total devotion would be to the Lord and not shared with a spouse.


None of the apostles were Gentiles, either. Only Jews qualified. Even Timothy, because of a Jewish mother, would have been considered Jewish.
So he had a mother-in-law without being married? What law would make her that? Even Jesus giving John and Mary to each other said, "Behold your mother," not "Behold your mother-in-law."

The "words in Timothy" are Paul's.

Paul "wishes" everyone could remain single, but recognizes most can't live chastely that way, so he recommends marriage for them.

The Apostles were Jewish because they were chosen from among His followers and eye-witnesses of Jesus ministry prior to His death and resurrection.


Charles Austin

Pastor Fienen:
If he were being proposed for president of CSL no. He wouldn't fit an LCMS institution. For the ELCA he should fit right in.
Me:
You mean because he has degrees from Harvard and Yale, was a Fulbright scholar at the famed theological school in Tübingen, Germany, and has spent years as a college professor of history and theology? And has worked internationally with the LWF and World Council of Churches? Or because he has Native American ancestry in the Osage Nation?
Iowa-born. Long-time in NY/New Jersey, former LWF staff in Geneva.
ELCA PASTOR, ordained 1967. Former journalist. Retired in Minneapolis.
GUILTY on ALL 34 counts

Jim Butler

Quote from: Brian Stoffregen on June 09, 2020, 07:12:54 PM
Quote from: Dave Likeness on June 09, 2020, 06:46:36 PM
It is interesting that none of the Apostles were gay partnered men.  Christ wanted men
who would be an example of  moral decency as they proclaimed the Gospel message.
The Apostle Paul wrote to Timothy: "an overseer must be above reproach, the husband
of one wife......He must manage his own household well, with all dignity, keeping his
children submissive." (ESV)

It would seem that none of the apostles were married men. (While Peter had a mother-in-law, there is never any mention of a wife.)

Do you actually read the Scriptures? Do you?

1 Cor. 9:5:  Do we not have the right to take along a believing wife,[Lit. a sister as wife] as do the other apostles and the brothers of the Lord and Cephas?


Paul makes it quite clear that the "other apostles" have wives with them. There's no other way to read this.

The reason Peter is the only married disciple is that he is older than the rest; he, along with Jesus, is the only one or over.

Quote from: Brian Stoffregen on June 09, 2020, 07:12:54 PM
In contrast to the words in Timothy, Paul recommends that believers remain single. That way their total devotion would be to the Lord and not shared with a spouse.

Actually, in 1 Cor 7, Paul says that he wishes all believers were like him so that they could totally devote themselves to the Lord, and he notes that to remain single is "better", but he realizes that isn't possible and states that if one does marry "it is no sin" and that he/she "will do well."

Quote from: Brian Stoffregen on June 09, 2020, 07:12:54 PM

None of the apostles were Gentiles, either. Only Jews qualified. Even Timothy, because of a Jewish mother, would have been considered Jewish.

I don't know if you realize this, but Timothy was not an apostle. He was one of Paul's helpers, as were many Gentile men.

I'm not even going to go into the rest of this. I don't have time to chase your rabbits.
"Pastor Butler... [is] deaf to the cries of people like me, dismissing our concerns as Satanic scenarios, denouncing our faith and our very existence."--Charles Austin

Jim Butler

Quote from: Charles Austin on June 09, 2020, 10:05:22 PM
Pastor Fienen:
If he were being proposed for president of CSL no. He wouldn't fit an LCMS institution. For the ELCA he should fit right in.
Me:
You mean because he has degrees from Harvard and Yale, was a Fulbright scholar at the famed theological school in Tübingen, Germany, and has spent years as a college professor of history and theology? And has worked internationally with the LWF and World Council of Churches? Or because he has Native American ancestry in the Osage Nation?

Because he is married to another man which the Lord God specifically forbids in His Holy Word. But you knew that. You're just being snarky as usual, Charlie.

United Seminary has taught us the lesson of the ELCA: When the ELCA said it would respect bound consciences, it was lying. Maybe those who voted in favor meant it, but the leadership never did. United fired a woman who once upon a time held to Scriptural marriage and hired a man married to another man.

I wonder if he will lead prayers to the ELCA goddess as well.
"Pastor Butler... [is] deaf to the cries of people like me, dismissing our concerns as Satanic scenarios, denouncing our faith and our very existence."--Charles Austin

Dan Fienen

Quote from: Charles Austin on June 09, 2020, 10:05:22 PM
Pastor Fienen:
If he were being proposed for president of CSL no. He wouldn't fit an LCMS institution. For the ELCA he should fit right in.
Me:
You mean because he has degrees from Harvard and Yale, was a Fulbright scholar at the famed theological school in Tübingen, Germany, and has spent years as a college professor of history and theology? And has worked internationally with the LWF and World Council of Churches? Or because he has Native American ancestry in the Osage Nation?
Very funny, you know what I mean.
Pr. Daniel Fienen
LCMS

Jeremy_Loesch

Quote from: jebutler on June 09, 2020, 10:21:53 PM
Quote from: Charles Austin on June 09, 2020, 10:05:22 PM
Pastor Fienen:
If he were being proposed for president of CSL no. He wouldn't fit an LCMS institution. For the ELCA he should fit right in.
Me:
You mean because he has degrees from Harvard and Yale, was a Fulbright scholar at the famed theological school in Tübingen, Germany, and has spent years as a college professor of history and theology? And has worked internationally with the LWF and World Council of Churches? Or because he has Native American ancestry in the Osage Nation?

Because he is married to another man which the Lord God specifically forbids in His Holy Word. But you knew that. You're just being snarky as usual, Charlie.

United Seminary has taught us the lesson of the ELCA: When the ELCA said it would respect bound consciences, it was lying. Maybe those who voted in favor meant it, but the leadership never did. United fired a woman who once upon a time held to Scriptural marriage and hired a man married to another man.

I wonder if he will lead prayers to the ELCA goddess as well.

Of course he will. She's the deity in the ELCA these days. And he'll probably encourage the confession of sins to a plant since that is what cutting edge atheism is doing these days at Union. Birds of a feather....

Jeremy

Charles Austin

Your words, Jeremy Loesch, are mean and nasty and untrue, and I think you know that.
Shall I begin my commentary on the LCMS based solely on the Comments over on that fringe-y "Lutherquest"?
And now, 11 years after the decision, and when we have come to the place where we are, can you people stop acting being surprised And supposedly "outraged" that we have certain kind of leaders?
I'm no longer surprised that some of your leaders are more Chicago-style political operatives than churchmen.
Iowa-born. Long-time in NY/New Jersey, former LWF staff in Geneva.
ELCA PASTOR, ordained 1967. Former journalist. Retired in Minneapolis.
GUILTY on ALL 34 counts

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