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« Reply #45 on: June 06, 2020, 03:12:58 PM »
Pastor Bohler, you are not devoid of memory. So you might recall how many times I have said I do not hate the president. We pray for him constantly. But I’m not going to go into the details of his redemption and/or salvation in this modest forum. So please stop saying that I hate him.  8)
I did have a good idea, however, on how we could improve the statistics about police violence against African-Americans. Right now police violence against African-Americans is considerably higher than it is against white Americans.
So here’s my solution.The police simply have to start beating the crap out of more white suspects, and shooting more unarmed white suspects.
That will even out the statistics and things won’t appear to be so bad.

Yes, you continue to insist that you do not hate him.  But then you say he is without a soul (not to mention the other horrible things you have said about him).  And that you don't consider his salvation important.  Frankly, I do not know what worse things a person ever say about another.  But as long as you say that you do not hate him....

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« Reply #46 on: June 06, 2020, 03:38:01 PM »
This might explain why I heard snippets of Trump talking about jobs numbers and not having those remarks overshadowed by an aside about Floyd.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2020/06/05/fake-news-media-falsely-claim-trump-invoked-george-floyd-when-discussing-jobs-report-n500781

“Equal justice under the law must mean that every American receives equal treatment in every encounter with law enforcement regardless of race, color, gender, or creed. They have to share fair treatment from law enforcement. They have to receive it,” Trump said. “We all saw what happened last week. We can’t let that happen. Hopefully, George is looking down right now and saying ‘this is a great thing that’s happening for our country.’ It’s a great day for him. It’s a great day for everybody. This is a great day for everybody. This is a great, great day in terms of equality.”

You're right. I went and listened to the whole speech and while there was just the one reference to Mr. Floyd at the beginning, and it came right after the President's basking in the unemployment statistics, he did not connect the two.

But why did the President think that Mr. Floyd in heaven would be "looking down right now and saying ‘this is a great thing that’s happening for our country.’ It’s a great day for him. It’s a great day for everybody. This is a great day for everybody. This is a great, great day in terms of equality.” Was it the worldwide protests? Was it some societal or legal change that in fact brought about equality in America?

What did the President mean by saying, "It’s a great day for him"? It wasn't that white unemployment was going down, so what was it?

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« Reply #47 on: June 06, 2020, 04:03:36 PM »
This might explain why I heard snippets of Trump talking about jobs numbers and not having those remarks overshadowed by an aside about Floyd.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2020/06/05/fake-news-media-falsely-claim-trump-invoked-george-floyd-when-discussing-jobs-report-n500781

“Equal justice under the law must mean that every American receives equal treatment in every encounter with law enforcement regardless of race, color, gender, or creed. They have to share fair treatment from law enforcement. They have to receive it,” Trump said. “We all saw what happened last week. We can’t let that happen. Hopefully, George is looking down right now and saying ‘this is a great thing that’s happening for our country.’ It’s a great day for him. It’s a great day for everybody. This is a great day for everybody. This is a great, great day in terms of equality.”

You're right. I went and listened to the whole speech and while there was just the one reference to Mr. Floyd at the beginning, and it came right after the President's basking in the unemployment statistics, he did not connect the two.

But why did the President think that Mr. Floyd in heaven would be "looking down right now and saying ‘this is a great thing that’s happening for our country.’ It’s a great day for him. It’s a great day for everybody. This is a great day for everybody. This is a great, great day in terms of equality.” Was it the worldwide protests? Was it some societal or legal change that in fact brought about equality in America?

What did the President mean by saying, "It’s a great day for him"? It wasn't that white unemployment was going down, so what was it?

Peace,
Michael


President Trump had moved on from talking about the economy to talking about the need for equal justice.  He at that point was pretty clearly talking about and indeed praising the protests.  It was in the context of discussing the protests for equal justice that Trump said that it was a great day for Mr. Floyd.


President Trump is all too often crude and graceless.  But the lies trafficked by the Washington Post and other unscrupulous media outlets also are at least as crude and graceless.   

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« Reply #48 on: June 06, 2020, 04:30:34 PM »
Pastor Bohler, you are not devoid of memory. So you might recall how many times I have said I do not hate the president. We pray for him constantly. But I’m not going to go into the details of his redemption and/or salvation in this modest forum. So please stop saying that I hate him.  8)
I did have a good idea, however, on how we could improve the statistics about police violence against African-Americans. Right now police violence against African-Americans is considerably higher than it is against white Americans.
So here’s my solution.The police simply have to start beating the crap out of more white suspects, and shooting more unarmed white suspects.
That will even out the statistics and things won’t appear to be so bad.
So if the statistics showed that suspects resisting arrest are treated similarly regardless of the race of the officer or the race of the suspect, you would admit that the protests are barking up the wrong tree?
A police officer's claim that a black man was resisting arrest and what the black man actually did are not necessarily the same thing. We've seen some videos of so-called resisting arrest claims. It looks like they were compliant. <Emphasis added>
If only you provided concrete examples of ‘looks like they were compliant”.  Thus far all you have provided is baseless unfounded speculation concocted in an attempt to support your view. 


If indeed you have “seen videos” that really support your point of view, provide the links! Without the links it is just another of your rabbit holes.😢


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« Reply #49 on: June 06, 2020, 05:00:23 PM »
Peter, and Pastor Bohler: my comment on how police violence statistics could be “better“ was a dark humor joke. It was not something I posed for discussion here.
And Pastor Bohler, I dearly and devoutly wish that the Holy Spirit grabbed the president by his neck and suddenly and miraculously bring him to the faith, that faith being a liberal Christianity. Or that he has a Damascus Road experience on the 13th hole of one of his golf course. That would be terrific. But I don’t see much sense in discussing his eternal soul when we are talking about the realities of today’s politics.
Oh wait! Did I say he has a soul? Golly Gee, I guess I did. I’ll have to think about that.
(Leave it to this crowd to see a heaven or hell discussion in any topic.  We could be discussing the relative merits of belts or suspenders and... And leave it to this crowd to miss the normal nuances of the English language. Refer to someone as “soulless” and normally you are talking about how they act here on earth, not their eternal salvation.)
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« Reply #50 on: June 06, 2020, 05:06:21 PM »

President Trump had moved on from talking about the economy to talking about the need for equal justice.  He at that point was pretty clearly talking about and indeed praising the protests.  It was in the context of discussing the protests for equal justice that Trump said that it was a great day for Mr. Floyd.


President Trump is all too often crude and graceless.  But the lies trafficked by the Washington Post and other unscrupulous media outlets also are at least as crude and graceless.

I watched the whole thing, and I'd say it was tough to say just what the "context" was for his remark about Mr. Floyd. His rambling stream of consciousness made very little sense. But why would he inject something about "the need for equal justice" in a talk that was otherwise about the wonderful way he is handling the economy if he didn't mean to connect the two?
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« Reply #51 on: June 06, 2020, 05:12:54 PM »
So here’s my solution.The police simply have to start beating the crap out of more white suspects, and shooting more unarmed white suspects.
That will even out the statistics and things won’t appear to be so bad.
This statement is indicates moral deviancy beyond belief .. and totally devoid of any scriptural basis ... unless your bible contains Hezekiah 3:15 ‘Two wrongs make a right’.

It is absolutely abhorrent that a one who claims to be a christian would, even in jest, even speak of unwarranted violence ... it makes about as much sense as saying ‘Beat the crap out of more cats to make Rev Austin happy.’

Yes ... a very boorish statement ... but no worse than ‘So here’s my solution. The police simply have to start beating the crap out of more white suspects, and shooting more unarmed white suspects.’  Appalling beyond belief.😖

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« Reply #52 on: June 06, 2020, 05:38:42 PM »
What part of “dark humor joke” is hard for you to understand, James?
All of it, I guess. Ask a 12-year old to explain it to you before you start hurling around words like “moral deviancy”.
Good grief!
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« Reply #53 on: June 06, 2020, 05:51:16 PM »

President Trump had moved on from talking about the economy to talking about the need for equal justice.  He at that point was pretty clearly talking about and indeed praising the protests.  It was in the context of discussing the protests for equal justice that Trump said that it was a great day for Mr. Floyd.


President Trump is all too often crude and graceless.  But the lies trafficked by the Washington Post and other unscrupulous media outlets also are at least as crude and graceless.

I watched the whole thing, and I'd say it was tough to say just what the "context" was for his remark about Mr. Floyd. His rambling stream of consciousness made very little sense. But why would he inject something about "the need for equal justice" in a talk that was otherwise about the wonderful way he is handling the economy if he didn't mean to connect the two?


That has happened regularly with politicians of all stripes.  They frequently address pressing matters unrelated to the principal topic.


Donald Trump could never be called eloquent. He often isn’t even coherent. But that doesn’t justify the media practice of distorting his words beyond the bounds of their plausible meaning, all in service, not of factual reporting, but of a political narrative and agenda.


(And yes, Fox News has been doing the same thing to VP Biden.)

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« Reply #54 on: June 06, 2020, 06:00:24 PM »
Does it occur to you that his incoherence, his ineptness with words, his inability to stay focused, his lack of awareness is indeed part of the news?
No speech writer connected Mr. Floyd’s death with a slight increase in jobs (which turned out to be a lie), but he did. Why?
Several reasons, all of them quite disturbing, easily come to mind.
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« Reply #55 on: June 06, 2020, 06:25:41 PM »
Does it occur to you that his incoherence, his ineptness with words, his inability to stay focused, his lack of awareness is indeed part of the news?
No speech writer connected Mr. Floyd’s death with a slight increase in jobs (which turned out to be a lie), but he did. Why?
Several reasons, all of them quite disturbing, easily come to mind.
It amazes me how you think someone with that degree of incompetence defeated both party establishments and won the presidency. Ask Bloomberg how easy it is to buy the office. What you’re left with is your own settled view of Trump intact and a view that millions of Americans must be hateful bigots or unable to notice complete incoherence. That you might be fundamentally wrong about a lot of things never seems to occur to you.

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« Reply #56 on: June 06, 2020, 07:05:23 PM »
Au contraire, Peter. I believe I may be wrong about many things.  But not about this President.
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« Reply #57 on: June 06, 2020, 07:35:05 PM »
Au contraire, Peter. I believe I may be wrong about many things.  But not about this President.
Fair enough. But you ought to be aware that your posts concerning him very obviously come from a closed mind.

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« Reply #58 on: June 06, 2020, 07:45:33 PM »
(And yes, Fox News has been doing the same thing to VP Biden.)

No one has to do anything to make Biden appear incoherent.  Indeed, much editing work must be done to make him appear to be able to think at all.

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« Reply #59 on: June 06, 2020, 08:35:33 PM »
Yes, Peter. Now my mind is closed because I have made a decision. For a long time I gave the president the benefit of the doubt even though I did not support him. I thought he was not very smart and inept at being a president 
But then, I came to the conclusion that he is dangerous. In many ways.
So, yes, on the matter of the President, my mind is closed.
Yours seems to be closed on President Obama.
Robert Johnson’s mind is closed on Mr. Biden
Other minds here are closed on anyone running as a Democrat.
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