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Candace Owens video. Thoughts?
« on: June 04, 2020, 01:26:54 PM »
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Re: Candace Owens video. Thoughts?
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2020, 01:43:58 PM »
https://youtu.be/0xkokrL0uBw
My first thought was, "Who is Candace Owen?" But she seems very articulate. I think she's arguing the same thing I am, which is that the demand for solidarity along racial lines, coming from both from without and within one's "racial community," is debilitating especially to black America, which needs to escape the downward spiral that is not of its own making but is its own ongoing experience.

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Re: Candace Owens video. Thoughts?
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2020, 01:58:37 PM »
You've never heard of Candace Owens?  She is a well known conservative commentator and activist.  Her voice should be heard much more but because she (and other black folks like her) don't fit the liberal, progressive narrative, she is marginalized and ignored.  This video points some of that out as well.
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« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2020, 02:06:56 PM »
You've never heard of Candace Owens?  She is a well known conservative commentator and activist.  Her voice should be heard much more but because she (and other black folks like her) don't fit the liberal, progressive narrative, she is marginalized and ignored.  This video points some of that out as well.
After I watched I realized that I recognized her from something. But I don't watch tv much at all and I'm not on social media. Even if I have read articles by her I couldn't place the name.

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« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2020, 03:50:52 PM »
As Pr. Austin says, life is complicated. Here's another view...from an "evangelical" magazine, by the way.

https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2020/may/george-floyd-ministry-houston-third-ward-church.html

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Re: Candace Owens video. Thoughts?
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2020, 04:19:17 PM »
but because she (and other black folks like her) don't fit the liberal, progressive narrative, she is marginalized and ignored. 

And you know this how?
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Re: Candace Owens video. Thoughts?
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2020, 04:48:48 PM »
If she is a well-known commentator and activist, how is she marginalized?
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Re: Candace Owens video. Thoughts?
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2020, 05:04:23 PM »
If she is a well-known commentator and activist, how is she marginalized?
My guess the same way many well-known conservatives are-- not invited to be a part of discussions outside conservative circles except as a token conservative.

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« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2020, 05:48:27 PM »
So if she does get invited somewhere it’s not because people want to hear her, but because she’s a “token” conservative?
So you set up a no-win situation for yourself.
Even if a conservatives is invited To the discussion, you are grumpy about it because that person is a “token.”
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« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2020, 07:11:16 PM »
but because she (and other black folks like her) don't fit the liberal, progressive narrative, she is marginalized and ignored. 

And you know this how?

Because it is obvious.

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« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2020, 08:25:28 PM »
If she is a well-known commentator and activist, how is she marginalized?
My guess the same way many well-known conservatives are-- not invited to be a part of discussions outside conservative circles except as a token conservative.
You mean like David Brooks is the token conservative on the PBS Newshour on Friday evenings. 😲

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« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2020, 08:49:01 PM »
See how foolish you sound? If Brooks were never invited to the table, you would howl about Conservatives being left out. But he is invited -  because he is smart, reasonable, historically aware and can discuss things with some grace - and you grump about a “token” conservative.
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« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2020, 10:05:03 PM »

See how foolish you sound? If Brooks were never invited to the table, you would howl about Conservatives being left out. But he is invited -  because he is smart, reasonable, historically aware and can discuss things with some grace - and you grump about a “token” conservative.
I believe you intentionally mis understand .. Presenting David Brooks as a real conservative is totally laughable ... Rev Austin's own words show his is fully aware of Mr Brooks liberal tendencies ... he describes Me Brooks as 'smart, reasonable, and historically aware, and can discuss some things with grace.' That is simply code for 'not quite as left wing liberal' as our highly partisan correspondent.

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« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2020, 12:10:32 AM »
James writes (my emphasis added);
Presenting David Brooks as a real conservative is totally laughable ... Rev Austin's own words show his is fully aware of Mr Brooks liberal tendencies ... he describes Me Brooks as 'smart, reasonable, and historically aware, and can discuss some things

I comment:
Hey! If you say those words Describe “liberal tendencies” and can’t be used to describe a conservative, I guess I shouldn’t try to argue with you.
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« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2020, 01:16:46 AM »
David Brooks, a never Trumper, loves GOP politicians like John McCain. Except that when the GOP actually nominated McCain, Brooks voted for the Democrat. That’s the sort of conservative liberals love. And it is fatigue with that kind of garbage that elevated Trump. Brooks hates that Trump is such a bull in a china shop, but the whole point of Trump was to smash the china.

I like Brooks as a cultural critic. But I don’t think he understands Trump or the electorate as much as he thinks he does.