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« Reply #4905 on: September 22, 2021, 12:17:13 PM »
The narrative of rural, white resistance is a well-traveled trope at this point. The urban, minority resistance remains relatively unexplained in my reading. Your thoughts?

The county health district where I live recently broke down the fully vaccinated rates by race:
  • Asian: 4.3% of population, 7.5% of vaccinated - 1.74 ratio
  • White: 55.2% of population, 52.4% of vaccinated - 0.95 ratio
  • Hispanic: 26.2% of population, 18.1% of vaccinated - 0.69 ratio
  • Black: 11.2% of population, 7.1% of vaccinated - 0.63 ratio

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« Reply #4906 on: September 22, 2021, 01:23:54 PM »
However you measure - total deaths or death rate - COVID-19 is near the top of the list of pandemics.

Not even close:  https://www.visualcapitalist.com/history-of-pandemics-deadliest/
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« Reply #4907 on: September 22, 2021, 01:36:29 PM »
New COVID-19 hospital admissions in the USA have been dropping since the end of August.
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#new-hospital-admissions

The same trend is apparent for total hospitalizations.
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#hospitalizations

Interesting. But these data are following indicators. Something has happened pretty much nationwide, that given incubation times may not yet show in those reports: Back to school. Full classroom s again in many places... for the moment.

LAUSD has been back to school since mid-August.

Since August 16, 1,957 schools have reported at least one case to Public Health. School programs reporting one case increased initially from 467 during the first week of school to 562 during the second week of school; reports of single cases have declined over the most recent two weeks of monitoring to 414 sites. Sites reporting two cases remained at a similar level for the first three weeks of school at an average of nearly 250 sites, however the number of sites reporting two cases declined to 139 sites this week. Sites reporting three or more cases have been declining since the first week of school from 441 sites to 127 sites. There has been a 43% decrease in the number of schools reporting three or more cases between the most recent two weeks of monitoring.

In K-12 school settings countywide, between August 15 and September 13, 7,995 student cases and 1,193 staff cases were reported, with the vast majority occurring at LAUSD, which tests everyone weekly. With more than 1.5 million students and 175,000 staff countywide (by last year’s counts), 0.5% of the student body and 0.7% of staff have become infected since school districts reopened. This is slightly higher than the 0.4% rate of infection experienced overall in the County. Given the massive testing of asymptomatic individuals at schools, this very low rate of infection affirms the safety provided to students and staff at schools.

So far the statistics are good.  So much so that the district is loosening up on quarantine requirements for students exposed to COVID-19.  Attending school in person appears not to be the superspreader event that some claim.

Other schools started later and with fewer restrictions.
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« Reply #4908 on: September 22, 2021, 03:00:53 PM »
However you measure - total deaths or death rate - COVID-19 is near the top of the list of pandemics.

Not even close:  https://www.visualcapitalist.com/history-of-pandemics-deadliest/

Thanks for this.  Good perspective - given the destructive force of some of the earlier pandemics, it's amazing we're here at all.  How many of our family trees weren't severely pared through the centuries.

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« Reply #4909 on: September 22, 2021, 03:26:01 PM »
If the coronavirus mandate was about tacos....

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« Reply #4910 on: September 22, 2021, 04:31:26 PM »
  https://www.visualcapitalist.com/history-of-pandemics-deadliest/

Thanks for this.  Good perspective - given the destructive force of some of the earlier pandemics, it's amazing we're here at all.  How many of our family trees weren't severely pared through the centuries.

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« Reply #4911 on: September 22, 2021, 06:41:14 PM »
How would you summarize the vaccine hesitance among your folks? In other words, what do you see as the primary drivers?

Among my un-vaccinated (which is a low percentage), the relatively-low risk the virus presents to most who get it and the uncertainty over the brand-new mRNA vaccines are the leading reasons. (Though there is certainly a bit of "don't trust those bozos" mixed in, with various people/parties filling the "bozo" role.)

The narrative of rural, white resistance is a well-traveled trope at this point. The urban, minority resistance remains relatively unexplained in my reading. Your thoughts?

Trying to put some thoughts together on this, Rob.

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« Reply #4912 on: September 22, 2021, 07:59:39 PM »
However you measure - total deaths or death rate - COVID-19 is near the top of the list of pandemics.
Not even close:  https://www.visualcapitalist.com/history-of-pandemics-deadliest/
I stand corrected, although COVID-19 is still fairly high on the list.

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« Reply #4913 on: September 23, 2021, 02:52:48 PM »
How would you summarize the vaccine hesitance among your folks? In other words, what do you see as the primary drivers?

Among my un-vaccinated (which is a low percentage), the relatively-low risk the virus presents to most who get it and the uncertainty over the brand-new mRNA vaccines are the leading reasons. (Though there is certainly a bit of "don't trust those bozos" mixed in, with various people/parties filling the "bozo" role.)

The narrative of rural, white resistance is a well-traveled trope at this point. The urban, minority resistance remains relatively unexplained in my reading. Your thoughts?

The primary driver of urban minority resistance to vaccination through until today works around the word Trust.  Those who are church-goers have a network of folks wider than their family and friends, and a trusted deliverer in the pastor.  We tend to have higher vaccination rates for that reason.  It's a bit different among the Latino population, because the networks of trusted people are different by background and country of origin, but also include the priest.  I think some of the pentecostal preachers, where there is significant Latino population, actually are not helpful in moving folks toward vaccination.

This brings up the context of trust in science.  Even as in the Bible Belt the perspectives of science are viewed as suspect because they don't start with trust in God, but invariably say follow the data, the fundamentalist non-white preachers are also sometimes in the same mode.  Recently NYC used ads with several non-white preachers who laid their trust both in God and the vaccine in no uncertain terms, to counter the lack of trust.

Another important trusted person in many households is the primary care physician.  They almost universally advise for the vaccine.  In urban and minority areas, poorer people are using the emergency room or some urgent care center.  There is no trusted primary care physician.  So when misinformation or fear-mongering positions come through, they are believed. 

I would say that Cardi B's twitter post was, for many of the uncertain and "unwashed" unvaccinated non-white younger people, a powerful message of DON'T DO IT. 
Control of the messages that people trust is not, in any case, the specific realm of churches or the religious in high percentage.  Try TikTok.  Why would the TikTok message be trusted?  Because there is no central zone of trust.  Why would anybody listen to Cardi B as an expert on COVID vaccination?  Ask her 175 million followers.

Trust in the government and its promises is also low in urban non-white areas.  That's generations deep.  And there is great justification for it.  And the word of mouth misinformation finds a home in homes where people most at risk are housebound.  The crisis for years in urban black and brown neighborhoods has been a health crisis centered in diabetes, heart disease, and various diseases and issues with the lungs.  All of those are the perfect deadly landing places for COVID, and yet (and a few of these are my parishioners) the folks say, "I'll just wait it out at home."  Like it's a shower or rainstorm.  They've been waiting for 18 months, and in fact have not left those homes yet.

Finally, there's a population of generations-deep poor people who have given up.  They live day to day.  They don't care.  Why bother? We ran a community outreach service center for four years in a really tough part of a really tough neighborhood, and that sense of despair hung over us every day - the center was called "Hope and a Prayer."  For the last four years, it has not been funded and the doors are locked.  And yet that site remains unrented, and alone out there, hanging in the breeze.  Despair is not easy to beat back.

There's more, but that's for starters.  I'm not impressed when the media coverage turns almost immediately from vaccine hesitancy to vaccine impediments, like lack of available sites or other ways to receive the shots or the availability of time off when you're in a low-paying essential job (that one is somewhat true and problematic) in an urban minority community.  We've had vans perched on our side streets 7 days a week for 8 months in a very urban environment, and the unvaccinated - if they're out and about - walk right by.

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« Reply #4914 on: September 23, 2021, 03:44:16 PM »
Thanks for this: it’s a helpful window into a reality that, at least on my news feeds, remained unexplored.

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« Reply #4915 on: September 24, 2021, 06:19:00 AM »
Likewise.
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« Reply #4916 on: September 26, 2021, 03:45:58 PM »
Pfizer and Moderna CEOs are both predicting a return to normal next year.  And perhaps we should stop worrying about those who don't get vaccinated as they will soon be immune anyway.

Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla said Sunday he believed life would return to normal within the next year even though new variants of COVID-19 are likely to continue to emerge around the globe.

"I agree that within a year I think we will be able to come back to normal life," Bourla said during an appearance on ABC News' "This Week." "I don't think this means that variants will not continue coming, and I don't think this means we should be able to live our lives without having vaccinations."

Bourla's comments echo remarks made last week by Moderna CEO Stéphane Bancel, who predicted the pandemic would end "in a year."

"If you look at the industry-wide expansion of production capacities over the past six months, enough doses should be available by the middle of next year so that everyone on this Earth can be vaccinated," Bancel told Swiss newspaper Neue Zürcher Zeitung, Reuters reported Thursday.

Bancel said people who do not get vaccinated would "immunize themselves naturally" because the Delta variant is highly transmissible.

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« Reply #4917 on: September 26, 2021, 05:26:37 PM »
James S. Rustad:
And perhaps we should stop worrying about those who don't get vaccinated as they will soon be immune anyway.
Me:
Or dead.
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« Reply #4918 on: September 26, 2021, 07:04:25 PM »
James S. Rustad:
And perhaps we should stop worrying about those who don't get vaccinated as they will soon be immune anyway.
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Or dead.
That would get them out of your hair and no longer troubling your well regulated society.
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« Reply #4919 on: September 26, 2021, 07:41:17 PM »
James S. Rustad:
And perhaps we should stop worrying about those who don't get vaccinated as they will soon be immune anyway.
Me:
Or dead.
That would get them out of your hair and no longer troubling your well regulated society.

There is a significant percentage of the population rooting for just this.

[[BTW, as a general statement, get vaccinated]]
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