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Robert Johnson

Quote from: John_Hannah on November 29, 2021, 09:29:59 AM
How many in the medical communities agree with Senator Paul (& Admiral Jackson)? It's likely a tiny number.

People who care about truth agree with Senator Paul, because he has revealed so many lies Fauci has told.

Maybe not many in the medical communities care about truth?

Randy Bosch

Quote from: Robert Johnson on November 29, 2021, 10:07:28 PM
Quote from: John_Hannah on November 29, 2021, 09:29:59 AM
How many in the medical communities agree with Senator Paul (& Admiral Jackson)? It's likely a tiny number.

People who care about truth agree with Senator Paul, because he has revealed so many lies Fauci has told.

Maybe not many in the medical communities care about truth?

"Majority support of a position is no guarantee of its truth." (Common Axiom)
Ὑμεῖς ἐστε τὸ ἅλας τῆς γῆς· ἐὰν δὲ τὸ ἅλας μωρανθῇ, ἐν τίνι ἁλισθήσεται; εἰς οὐδὲν ἰσχύει ἔτι εἰ μὴ βληθὲν ἔξω καταπατεῖσθαι ὑπὸ τῶν ἀνθρώπων.

Dave Benke

Quote from: Randy Bosch on November 30, 2021, 08:13:44 AM
Quote from: Robert Johnson on November 29, 2021, 10:07:28 PM
Quote from: John_Hannah on November 29, 2021, 09:29:59 AM
How many in the medical communities agree with Senator Paul (& Admiral Jackson)? It's likely a tiny number.

People who care about truth agree with Senator Paul, because he has revealed so many lies Fauci has told.

Maybe not many in the medical communities care about truth?

"Majority support of a position is no guarantee of its truth." (Common Axiom)

Martin Luther - "popes and councils can err."   In denominational delegate assemblies, however, it does seem that once a decision has been reached by majority vote, the die is cast, and the chips fall where they may, because a group won and a group lost, and that's good enough for us to move on and say for eternity - God was with us - or God left the building today.  The designated guarantor is the majority vote by 51-49 and so on up the line.

Dave Benke
It's OK to Pray


Charles Austin

Lowest rate of daily infections don't mean a thing, 'cause it ain't got anywhere near the whole story. And "Citizen Press" is a partisan scream machine.
Iowa-born. Long-time in NY/New Jersey, former LWF staff in Geneva.
ELCA PASTOR, ordained 1967. Former journalist. Retired in Minneapolis. Often critical of the ELCA, but more often a defender of its mission. Ignoring the not-so-subtle rude insults which often appear here.

peter_speckhard

Quote from: Charles Austin on November 30, 2021, 11:38:30 AM
Lowest rate of daily infections don't mean a thing, 'cause it ain't got anywhere near the whole story. And "Citizen Press" is a partisan scream machine.
What is a fuller take on how Florida compares to states that took a different approach? You are a partisan scream machine yourself, but you are free to post what you think. It would just be better not to post petty little rants about how wrong someone else is without saying what it right.

Charles Austin

#5631
What is "right" is looking at the rate of infections over a period of time, balanced against and measured by the protocols that have been in place concerning mitigation, such as masking, social distancing and similar measures.
Taking the daily rate doesn't mean a thing.
And, since you brought it up, Peter, as a partisan noise machine, I think you win the award here.
Iowa-born. Long-time in NY/New Jersey, former LWF staff in Geneva.
ELCA PASTOR, ordained 1967. Former journalist. Retired in Minneapolis. Often critical of the ELCA, but more often a defender of its mission. Ignoring the not-so-subtle rude insults which often appear here.

DeHall1

Quote from: Charles Austin on November 30, 2021, 11:38:30 AM
Lowest rate of daily infections don't mean a thing, 'cause it ain't got anywhere near the whole story. And "Citizen Press" is a partisan scream machine.

...."Citizen Press" is a partisan scream machine.

As opposed to the paper of record...
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/08/pageoneplus/corrections-oct-8-2021.html
https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-world/nyt-issues-correction-after-significantly-overstating-covid-hospitalizations-in-children

Charles Austin

Here I am, violating my general principle of not responding to anonymous posters. (And I thought we didn't allow them here.)
So The New York Times corrects what it got wrong in a story (which it often does) and you find that a reason to criticize the newspaper?
Iowa-born. Long-time in NY/New Jersey, former LWF staff in Geneva.
ELCA PASTOR, ordained 1967. Former journalist. Retired in Minneapolis. Often critical of the ELCA, but more often a defender of its mission. Ignoring the not-so-subtle rude insults which often appear here.

peter_speckhard

Quote from: Charles Austin on November 30, 2021, 11:50:25 AM
What is "right" is looking at the rate of infections over a period of time, balanced against and measured by the protocols that have been in place concerning mitigation, such as masking, social distancing and similar measures.
Taking the daily rate doesn't mean a thing.
And, since you brought it up, Peter, as a partisan noise machine, I think you win the award here.
So a low daily rate of infection and high daily rate of infection are interchangeable pieces of data in terms of overall meaning? Are you saying Florida doesn't have a low rate of infections? If you said something like, "Well, the virus spreads more in winter, so Florida benefits from its climate in comparison to northern states," that would be a possible on point bit of context. But you don't offer counter-points or context. You just fling manure at whatever makes you mad.

DeHall1

#5635
Quote from: Charles Austin on November 30, 2021, 12:17:13 PM
Here I am, violating my general principle of not responding to anonymous posters. (And I thought we didn't allow them here.)
So The New York Times corrects what it got wrong in a story (which it often does) and you find that a reason to criticize the newspaper?
"Charles Austin":

The reporter who "got it wrong" was Apoorva Mandavilli. She is the 2019 winner of the Victor Cohn Prize for Excellence in Medical Science Reporting.

"Getting it wrong" by overexaggerating the number of U.S. children who have been hospitalized for COVID-19 by 837,000 cases is not something I would expect from a Victor Cohn Prize winner. 

Incorrectly reporting actions taken by regulators in Sweden and Denmark for Covid vaccinations is not something I would expect, either.

The correct information is readily available -- How did  Apoorva Mandavilli and the NYT get it so wrong that they had to issue a correction?

And, I'll note, the "partisan scream machine", Citizen Press has not had to issue a correction for their article.  Why?  The Citizen Press article relies on CDC data.

Where did Apoorva Mandavilli and the NYT get their data?

A quick addendum:
Apoorva Mandavilli is the NYT lead coronavirus correspondent.

James S. Rustad

Quote from: Charles Austin on November 30, 2021, 12:17:13 PM
Here I am, violating my general principle of not responding to anonymous posters. (And I thought we didn't allow them here.)

I don't see an anonymous poster.  But I do see you riding your hobby horse again anyway.
"Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem." -Thomas Jefferson

David Garner

Quote from: peter_speckhard on November 30, 2021, 12:24:42 PM
Quote from: Charles Austin on November 30, 2021, 11:50:25 AM
What is "right" is looking at the rate of infections over a period of time, balanced against and measured by the protocols that have been in place concerning mitigation, such as masking, social distancing and similar measures.
Taking the daily rate doesn't mean a thing.
And, since you brought it up, Peter, as a partisan noise machine, I think you win the award here.
So a low daily rate of infection and high daily rate of infection are interchangeable pieces of data in terms of overall meaning? Are you saying Florida doesn't have a low rate of infections? If you said something like, "Well, the virus spreads more in winter, so Florida benefits from its climate in comparison to northern states," that would be a possible on point bit of context. But you don't offer counter-points or context. You just fling manure at whatever makes you mad.

You see, I'm losing a dollar on everything I sell, but I'm going to make it up in the volume.......
Orthodox Reader and former Lutheran (LCMS and WELS).

Jim Butler

Quote from: Charles Austin on November 30, 2021, 11:38:30 AM
Lowest rate of daily infections don't mean a thing, 'cause it ain't got anywhere near the whole story.

Charlie, you old goofball. You messed up again.

the words are "It don't mean a thing, if it ain't got that swing
It don't mean a thing, all you got to do is sing
Doo-ah, doo-ah, doo-ah, doo-ah, doo-ah, doo-ah, doo-ah, doo-ah"

Try posting again and see if you can get it right this time!

Anonymously yours, of course!
"Pastor Butler... [is] deaf to the cries of people like me, dismissing our concerns as Satanic scenarios, denouncing our faith and our very existence."--Charles Austin

Michael Slusser

#5639
There is a Fauci Derangement Syndrome out there:
QuoteLara Logan, once a lauded foreign correspondent for CBS News's "60 Minutes" and now a boundary-pushing Fox News guest commentator and streaming show host, drew fierce condemnation for on-air comments Monday night comparing the nation's top infectious-disease expert, Anthony S. Fauci, to Nazi doctor Josef Mengele.

Her comments came during a segment in which Fox host Pete Hegseth, a frequent critic of coronavirus vaccine mandates and masking politics, accused the Biden administration of overhyping the new omicron variant.

Logan's response, though, went well beyond.

"What you see on Dr. Fauci — this is what people say to me: that he doesn't represent science to them. He represents Josef Mengele," she said. "Dr. Josef Mengele, the Nazi doctor who did experiments on Jews during the Second World War and in the concentration camps. And I am talking about people all across the world are saying this, because the response from covid, what it has done to countries everywhere, what it has done to civil liberties, the suicide rates, the poverty, it has obliterated economies. The level of suffering that has been created because of this disease is now being seen in the cold light of day."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2021/11/30/media-lara-logan-fox-fauci-mengele-comparison/

Peace,
Michael
Fr. Michael Slusser
Retired Roman Catholic priest and theologian

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