Started by J. Eriksson, February 28, 2020, 09:18:34 PM
Quote from: Charles Austin on April 25, 2021, 10:06:07 AMI will say it again. If masks are not necessary, all we experience with some minor annoyance and minor discomfort. If they do help and we ignore wearing them, we do serious and potentially fatal damage to ourselves and to others.Those who are wary of the vaccinations are not thinking straight if they ignore the risk/benefit calculation. The risks of the vaccines are far far far less than the benefits. Personally, I'm not inclined to "respect" the views of those who base their opinion on highly highly questionable sources or on a rigidly held bias or political fervor. I would neither conduct or attend a worship service where wearing a mask is optional just to "respect" the opinions of those who don't wear masks. I do not consider that a responsible action.
Quote from: Charles Austin on April 25, 2021, 02:11:11 PMIf I am out with a friend, he the driver, and he drinks, I either drive home or do not get in the car. And any passenger in my car either wears a seatbelt or I don't turn on the engine.
Quote from: Dan Fienen on April 25, 2021, 01:40:21 PMI also respect the right of others in our society to make restrictions on where people may go and what they do depending on their masking and vaccination status.
Quote from: peter_speckhard on April 25, 2021, 05:17:58 PMhttps://www.foxnews.com/health/fauci-outdoor-covid-transmission-low-updated-mask-guidanceSaying the chances of outdoor transmission are "miniscule," Fauci says the CDC will likely be updating its mask guidelines as a matter of common sense. I think that shows the difference between panic and going by the science. Common sense has always said that the chances of outdoor transmission were miniscule. Going by the science would mean waiting for some evidence that common sense was wrong. But in this case we went by panic rather than common sense and we simply presumed common sense was wrong, waiting for scientific evidence that the common sense wasn't wrong before belatedly deciding to go by common sense after all.Defaulting to panic rather than common sense is not a harmless difference. I know people whose mental health has deteriorated to the point of needing anxiety medication and professional help over fear of contagion. When we hype the dangers so constantly and persistently, when every face is masked because it is a presumed source of deadly virus, some people are bound to lose all perspective. Children especially are likely to be permanently scarred by this experience.
Quote from: Charles Austin on April 25, 2021, 02:11:11 PM"Foolish" might be the right word. Both Intelligent and stupid people can do foolish things. I am not, at least not in every case, calling people "ignorant" or "loveless", Peter, but "foolish" might do. [snip]
Quote from: J. Thomas Shelley on April 25, 2021, 10:20:03 PMVaccination and masking require finding balance between "an abundance of caution" and what special-needs educators term the "least restrictive environment'.The mask issue became all or nothing "thanks" to Dr. Levine, former PA Secretary of Health now elevated to undersecretary of health at the Federal HHS.Dr. Levine coined the ditty:"My mask protects you,Your mask protects me"And from the moment that went viral there was could be no continuum of masking behaviors.
QuoteIn a sane world we would recognize a continuum something like this:"I believe masks work--everyone must wear a mask""I believe masks work, I will wear a mask, you do what you want""I don't believe masks work, I will wear a mask, you do what you want""I don't believe masks work, I won't wear a mask, you do what you want""I don't believe masks work, I won't wear a mask, and you shouldn't either""I don't believe in masks--nobody should wear a mask".
Quote"Thanks" to Dr. Levine only the first position is permitted in public discourse.
QuoteSo much for fabled liberal tolerance and diversity.