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Re: Coronavirus news
« Reply #30 on: March 01, 2020, 12:43:23 PM »
Just returned from the Divine Service ... other than a prayer for the virus situation, no changes in the service ... sharing of the peace proceeded as usual ... common cup used as usual ... attendance unaffected.

A week ago in Bible Class I shook hands in Bible Class with a gentleman who along with his wife and children just completed a 14 day voluntary quarrentine after returning to the US from Shanghai.


Apparently the admonition of National Public Radio to be vigilant but not panic was headed.
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« Reply #31 on: March 01, 2020, 12:44:02 PM »
I have been following the information as has everyone.

I think the real problem with the disease will not be the primary effect (corpses stacked like cordwood like the Spanish Flu pandemic.) Where there will be real and life threatening issues will be in the  disruption of the global logistics network. Think of the feedstocks for various pharmaceuticals manufactured in China. And look at other necessities that likewise depend on the PRC for at least part of their manufacture. And then, as the disease spreads, the same issue playing out across the globe.

But it’s nice to know that someone has figured out that “it’s all Trump’s fault!””

No one has said that. 

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Re: Coronavirus news
« Reply #32 on: March 01, 2020, 01:01:56 PM »
Trump is a whiner and a crybaby. Any criticism of is so so unfair. Sniff sniff

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« Reply #33 on: March 01, 2020, 01:12:16 PM »
The Florida state department of health has announced that 3 state labs in Miami Tampa and Jacksonville can now test for corona virus shortening the time to get test results

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« Reply #34 on: March 01, 2020, 01:19:55 PM »
Trump is a whiner and a crybaby. Any criticism of is so so unfair. Sniff sniff
Ironic post of the decade.

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« Reply #35 on: March 01, 2020, 01:54:49 PM »
Yes, the president takes criticism very well. And he believes that any reaction to the corona virus is actually an assault on him personally.
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« Reply #36 on: March 01, 2020, 02:24:50 PM »
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that they're not out to get you. Yes, Trump is thin skinned and doesn't take criticism well. That doesn't change the fact that some prominent Democrats have tried to spin this epidemic to their political favor and accuse Trump of somehow mishandling it. Rather than rallying to manage the crisis, some have,seemed more interested in pointing fingers.
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« Reply #37 on: March 01, 2020, 02:31:06 PM »
And, to be frank, the Administration, especially POTUS, is going to be acting like Han, Luke, and Chewie done in the Cell Block, with "nothing to report, no problem, just a minor reactor leak..."

The Corona virus stands a good chance of damaging the economy enough so that people will not vote their wallets. So they are going to down play it.
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Re: Coronavirus news
« Reply #38 on: March 01, 2020, 03:33:09 PM »
Pastor Fienen:
That doesn't change the fact that some prominent Democrats have tried to spin this epidemic to their political favor and accuse Trump of somehow mishandling it.
Me:
Not “somehow” mishandling it, but at least until now, actually mishandling it.
That’s not spin, that’s just telling the truth.
And some of us think he hasn’t been able to handle anything else very well, so why should we think he will handle this well?
Too many unsubstantiated assertions, too many lies, too long a history of not believing the science.
The facility where I live put out a nice two page information sheet from the CDC, that explains more in those two pages than anything said by any government official in the last five days.
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And vice President Pence said yesterday that the government has a multimillion dollar  contract with 3M, based here in Minneapolis, for masks and other virus fighting equipment.
Spokesman for 3M says in today’s paper, “no, that’s not actually true.”
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« Reply #39 on: March 01, 2020, 03:44:41 PM »
Pastor Fienen:
That doesn't change the fact that some prominent Democrats have tried to spin this epidemic to their political favor and accuse Trump of somehow mishandling it.
Me:
Not “somehow” mishandling it, but at least until now, actually mishandling it.
That’s not spin, that’s just telling the truth.
And some of us think he hasn’t been able to handle anything else very well, so why should we think he will handle this well?
Too many unsubstantiated assertions, too many lies, too long a history of not believing the science.
The facility where I live put out a nice two page information sheet from the CDC, that explains more in those two pages than anything said by any government official in the last five days.
P.S.
And vice President Pence said yesterday that the government has a multimillion dollar  contract with 3M, based here in Minneapolis, for masks and other virus fighting equipment.
Spokesman for 3M says in today’s paper, “no, that’s not actually true.”
You can’t tell the difference between reporting facts and reporting “spin.” Any interpretation of the facts is spin. When you say the assessment that he is mishandling the outbreak is fact, not spin, you demonstrate why trust in journalism is at an all time low. You’re too clueless to even know how clueless you are.

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« Reply #40 on: March 01, 2020, 04:17:07 PM »
From the Snopes site: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-fire-pandemic-team/

These are facts.

Amid warnings from public health officials that a 2020 outbreak of a new coronavirus could soon become a pandemic involving the U.S., alarmed readers asked Snopes to verify a rumor that U.S. President Donald Trump had “fired the entire pandemic response team two years ago and then didn’t replace them.”

The claim came from a series of tweets posted by Judd Legum, who runs Popular Information, a newsletter he describes as being about “politics and power.” Legum’s commentary was representative of sharp criticism from Democratic legislators (and some Republicans) that the Trump administration had ill-prepared the country for a pandemic even as one was looming on the horizon.

Legum outlined a series of cost-cutting decisions made by the Trump administration in preceding years that had gutted the nation’s infectious disease defense infrastructure. The “pandemic response team” firing claim referred to newsaccounts from Spring 2018 reporting that White House officials tasked with directing a national response to a pandemic had been ousted.

Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer abruptly departed from his post leading the global health security team on the National Security Council in May 2018 amid a reorganization of the council by then-National Security Advisor John Bolton, and Ziemer’s team was disbanded. Tom Bossert, whom the Washington Post reported “had called for a comprehensive biodefense strategy against pandemics and biological attacks,” had been fired one month prior.

It’s thus true that the Trump administration axed the executive branch team responsible for coordinating a response to a pandemic and did not replace it, eliminating Ziemer’s position and reassigning others, although Bolton was the executive at the top of the National Security Council chain of command at the time.

Legum stated in a follow-up tweet that “Trump also cut funding for the CDC, forcing the CDC to cancel its efforts to help countries prevent infectious-disease threats from becoming epidemics in 39 of 49 countries in 2018. Among the countries abandoned? China.” That was partly true, according to 2018 news reports stating that funding for the CDC’s global disease outbreak prevention efforts had been reduced by 80%, including funding for the agency’s efforts in China. But that was the result of the anticipated depletion of previously allotted funding, not a direct cut by the Trump administration.

On Feb. 24, 2020, the Trump administration requested $2.5 billion to address the coronavirus outbreak, an outlay critics asserted might not have been necessary if the previous program cuts had not taken place. Fortune reported of the issue that:

The cuts could be especially problematic as COVID-19 continues to spread. Health officials are now warning the U.S. is unlikely to be spared, even though cases are minimal here so far.

“It’s not so much of a question of if this will happen in this country any more but a question of when this will happen and how many people in this country will have severe illness,” Dr. Nancy Messonnier, the director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said during a press call [on Feb. 25].


The coronavirus was first detected in Wuhan, China, in the winter of 2019, and cases spread around the globe. The U.S. had 57 confirmed cases as of this writing, while globally, roughly 80,000 patients had been sickened with the virus and 3,000 had died. As of yet, no vaccine or pharmaceutical treatment for the new coronavirus. Data from China suggests the coronavirus has a higher fatality rate than the seasonal flu, although outcomes depend on factors such as the age and underlying health of the patient.
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Re: Coronavirus news
« Reply #41 on: March 01, 2020, 04:19:39 PM »
And vice President Pence said yesterday that the government has a multimillion dollar  contract with 3M, based here in Minneapolis, for masks and other virus fighting equipment.
Spokesman for 3M says in today’s paper, “no, that’s not actually true.”


A report on CBS this morning indicated that the virus is so small that a mask does not protect the wearer from it.
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« Reply #42 on: March 01, 2020, 04:27:10 PM »
Pastor Fienen:
That doesn't change the fact that some prominent Democrats have tried to spin this epidemic to their political favor and accuse Trump of somehow mishandling it.
Me:
Not “somehow” mishandling it, but at least until now, actually mishandling it.
That’s not spin, that’s just telling the truth.
And some of us think he hasn’t been able to handle anything else very well, so why should we think he will handle this well?
Too many unsubstantiated assertions, too many lies, too long a history of not believing the science.
The facility where I live put out a nice two page information sheet from the CDC, that explains more in those two pages than anything said by any government official in the last five days.
P.S.
And vice President Pence said yesterday that the government has a multimillion dollar  contract with 3M, based here in Minneapolis, for masks and other virus fighting equipment.
Spokesman for 3M says in today’s paper, “no, that’s not actually true.”


Once again, you trot out a flat-out falsehood.  According to the Star Tribune article that apparently is your source, VP Pence said that the federal government "has contracted now with 3M" to make masks.  VP Pence also said that "35 million more masks per month will be produced, and we're also going to be working with other manufacturers" in addition to 3M.  As the Star Tribune makes clear, Pence did not expressly say that the contract with 3M was for "35 million masks" and he may have meant no such thing.  It wasn't entirely clear.  As the Star Tribune puts it, it's "unclear whether [VP Pence] was suggesting that 3M will be making 35 million more masks a month, or whether 3M and other companies would be doing so."


According to the Star Tribune, 3M spokesperson Jennifer Ehrlich responded to inquiries by saying that "any information about government contracts for respirators would have to come from the Office of the Vice President," but that 3M is "not yet under contract" for "the volume mentioned" by VP Pence (i.e., 35 million masks).


You claim that Ms. Ehrlich's direct response to VP Pence's statement was "no, that's not actually true."  You use quotation marks to attribute this specific comment to Ms. Ehrlich.  In so doing, you are peddling a falsehood.  Are you lying or are you simply not reading the source material carefully?

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« Reply #43 on: March 01, 2020, 04:34:31 PM »
From the Snopes site: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-fire-pandemic-team/

These are facts.

Amid warnings from public health officials that a 2020 outbreak of a new coronavirus could soon become a pandemic involving the U.S., alarmed readers asked Snopes to verify a rumor that U.S. President Donald Trump had “fired the entire pandemic response team two years ago and then didn’t replace them.”

The claim came from a series of tweets posted by Judd Legum, who runs Popular Information, a newsletter he describes as being about “politics and power.” Legum’s commentary was representative of sharp criticism from Democratic legislators (and some Republicans) that the Trump administration had ill-prepared the country for a pandemic even as one was looming on the horizon.

Legum outlined a series of cost-cutting decisions made by the Trump administration in preceding years that had gutted the nation’s infectious disease defense infrastructure. The “pandemic response team” firing claim referred to newsaccounts from Spring 2018 reporting that White House officials tasked with directing a national response to a pandemic had been ousted.

Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer abruptly departed from his post leading the global health security team on the National Security Council in May 2018 amid a reorganization of the council by then-National Security Advisor John Bolton, and Ziemer’s team was disbanded. Tom Bossert, whom the Washington Post reported “had called for a comprehensive biodefense strategy against pandemics and biological attacks,” had been fired one month prior.

It’s thus true that the Trump administration axed the executive branch team responsible for coordinating a response to a pandemic and did not replace it, eliminating Ziemer’s position and reassigning others, although Bolton was the executive at the top of the National Security Council chain of command at the time.

Legum stated in a follow-up tweet that “Trump also cut funding for the CDC, forcing the CDC to cancel its efforts to help countries prevent infectious-disease threats from becoming epidemics in 39 of 49 countries in 2018. Among the countries abandoned? China.” That was partly true, according to 2018 news reports stating that funding for the CDC’s global disease outbreak prevention efforts had been reduced by 80%, including funding for the agency’s efforts in China. But that was the result of the anticipated depletion of previously allotted funding, not a direct cut by the Trump administration.

On Feb. 24, 2020, the Trump administration requested $2.5 billion to address the coronavirus outbreak, an outlay critics asserted might not have been necessary if the previous program cuts had not taken place. Fortune reported of the issue that:

The cuts could be especially problematic as COVID-19 continues to spread. Health officials are now warning the U.S. is unlikely to be spared, even though cases are minimal here so far.

“It’s not so much of a question of if this will happen in this country any more but a question of when this will happen and how many people in this country will have severe illness,” Dr. Nancy Messonnier, the director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said during a press call [on Feb. 25].


The coronavirus was first detected in Wuhan, China, in the winter of 2019, and cases spread around the globe. The U.S. had 57 confirmed cases as of this writing, while globally, roughly 80,000 patients had been sickened with the virus and 3,000 had died. As of yet, no vaccine or pharmaceutical treatment for the new coronavirus. Data from China suggests the coronavirus has a higher fatality rate than the seasonal flu, although outcomes depend on factors such as the age and underlying health of the patient.


Snopes is to fact-checking as the SPLC is to hate-group labeling.  Both groups claim to be neutral arbiters, but each in fact is as reliable as, say, Infowars. 


We've already covered here the matter addressed with half-truths and ideological zeal by Snopes.

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Re: Coronavirus news
« Reply #44 on: March 01, 2020, 05:14:58 PM »
Yes, the president takes criticism very well. And he believes that any reaction to the corona virus is actually an assault on him personally.

Yes indeed... about as well as you take criticism directed at you ... or towards the ELCA for that matter. 8)
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