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Re: Coronavirus news
« Reply #1425 on: May 01, 2020, 02:32:28 PM »
Anyone who sews anything is, I would guess, is sometimes a cutter/ripper and other times a mender/weaver. If you just weave things together, you end up with nothing recognizable. The key is knowing when and where to do which. In a time of crisis, the normal thing to do is come together, united behind the titular leader. That didn't happen in this case. People chose to rip the one in charge on the grounds that his previous actions rendered them incapable of rallying to him. He chose to respond in kind to being ripped, as is his wont. But the simple and inescapable fact is that identifying rippers and weavers is itself an act of ripping, not weaving.


Except that having a common enemy is one of the quickest ways to unite (weave together) a group of people. (Such unity is often not long-lasting, because when the enemy is gone, there usually isn't anything to hold them together.
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Re: Coronavirus news
« Reply #1426 on: May 01, 2020, 03:06:41 PM »
Anyone who sews anything is, I would guess, is sometimes a cutter/ripper and other times a mender/weaver. If you just weave things together, you end up with nothing recognizable. The key is knowing when and where to do which. In a time of crisis, the normal thing to do is come together, united behind the titular leader. That didn't happen in this case. People chose to rip the one in charge on the grounds that his previous actions rendered them incapable of rallying to him. He chose to respond in kind to being ripped, as is his wont. But the simple and inescapable fact is that identifying rippers and weavers is itself an act of ripping, not weaving.


Except that having a common enemy is one of the quickest ways to unite (weave together) a group of people. (Such unity is often not long-lasting, because when the enemy is gone, there usually isn't anything to hold them together.
Normally identifying a common enemy in one’s own midst would be considered ripping, not weaving. As a Never-Trumper, Brooks seems to think identifying Trump as the common enemy people are coming together to oppose rather than coming together to support is weaving, not ripping.

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Re: Coronavirus news
« Reply #1428 on: May 02, 2020, 03:53:13 AM »
From Religion News Service:
(RNS) —  President Trump’s job approval ratings among some faith groups jumped in March as the number of coronavirus infections began to spread across the country.
   But that "Trump bump" has all but disappeared.
   A new poll released Thursday (April 30) from PRRI shows Trump’s approval has fallen on average by 6 percentage points and is now more in keeping with 2019 levels among most demographic groups.
   Among white evangelicals, Trump’s favorability ratings fell to 66% from a high of 77% in March. White Catholic approval ratings of the president dropped to 48% from 60%. Perhaps the largest drop was among white mainline Protestants. Only 44% approved of the president in April, down from 62% in March. (Among nonwhite Protestants, Trump’s favorability ratings did not change.)
   Overall, 43% of Americans hold mostly or very favorable views of Trump (about the same as in February shortly after he was acquitted of impeachment charges).
   In mid-March, it was 49%.
   “The jump we saw in March was unusually high, particularly for white evangelicals,” said Natalie Jackson, research director at PRRI. “It was one of the highest favorability records we saw for Trump among that group. What we’re seeing in April is a return to where they had been previously.”
The story is at:
https://religionnews.com/2020/05/01/poll-the-trump-bump-is-over-especially-among-white-christians/
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Re: Coronavirus news
« Reply #1429 on: May 02, 2020, 08:10:26 AM »
https://www.the-american-interest.com/2018/05/16/the-top-14-causes-of-political-polarization/

A good read.

This is a good read - last paragraph: It would be nice to make a straightforward “us versus them” enemies list when it comes to who’s to blame for polarization. But the fact is, none of us is pure—besides which the impulse to create an enemies list is part of the problem, not part of the solution. Some of us are more inclined to polarizing habits than others; some of us when we foster polarization are more aware of what we’re doing than others; and some of us (more and more of us, it seems) make a pretty good living these days out of encouraging and participating in polarization. But the habits and temptations of polarization are always with all of us. That includes you and me, by the way. The fault, dear reader, is not just in our 13 stars, but also in ourselves.  Boom.

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Re: Coronavirus news
« Reply #1430 on: May 02, 2020, 08:27:24 AM »
https://www.the-american-interest.com/2018/05/16/the-top-14-causes-of-political-polarization/

A good read.

This is a good read - last paragraph: It would be nice to make a straightforward “us versus them” enemies list when it comes to who’s to blame for polarization. But the fact is, none of us is pure—besides which the impulse to create an enemies list is part of the problem, not part of the solution. Some of us are more inclined to polarizing habits than others; some of us when we foster polarization are more aware of what we’re doing than others; and some of us (more and more of us, it seems) make a pretty good living these days out of encouraging and participating in polarization. But the habits and temptations of polarization are always with all of us. That includes you and me, by the way. The fault, dear reader, is not just in our 13 stars, but also in ourselves.  Boom.

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Yes, that is a solid analysis. The causes of the problem are an array of factors, not only one or two. It will take a long time to overcome. Yet, the recent Congressional unifying for the economic legislation is most encouraging, because it means there is a unified populace supporting it. Maybe national unity will come sooner than expected.

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Re: Coronavirus news
« Reply #1431 on: May 02, 2020, 11:34:03 AM »
Gallup on Presidential Approval

49% Approve
47% Disapprove

https://news.gallup.com/poll/203207/trump-job-approval-weekly.aspx

When it comes to handling the COVID-19 crisis, Americans continue to give their highest approval ratings to healthcare providers and medical experts. Most (78%) continue to approve of their state government's handling of the crisis, but Americans give much lower ratings on handling the crisis to nationally elected officials such as Congress (48%) and President Trump (49%). Of all the key actors responding to the crisis that Americans were asked about, the news media received the lowest approval (41%) of all.
« Last Edit: May 02, 2020, 11:36:40 AM by James S. Rustad »

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Re: Coronavirus news
« Reply #1432 on: May 02, 2020, 12:13:54 PM »
https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-says-to-drink-lots-of-water-media-reports-as-deranged-trump-tells-everyone-to-drown-themselves

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Re: Coronavirus news
« Reply #1433 on: May 02, 2020, 12:15:23 PM »
And I think of some people in this modest forum when I see … Oh, never mind.
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« Reply #1434 on: May 02, 2020, 12:55:57 PM »
This isn't from The Onion or Babylon Bee:
https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/who-declares-swedens-covid-response-a-model-for-the-world/

Their approach is to partner with their citizens.  May be working, and they're no worse off than many nations at this stage of the panic.
This horse long ago left the barn in the USA, under the lash of a media and political agenda.

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Re: Coronavirus news
« Reply #1435 on: May 02, 2020, 01:14:40 PM »
This isn't from The Onion or Babylon Bee:
https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/who-declares-swedens-covid-response-a-model-for-the-world/

Their approach is to partner with their citizens.  May be working, and they're no worse off than many nations at this stage of the panic.
This horse long ago left the barn in the USA, under the lash of a media and political agenda.

Here's a counterpoint article on Sweden, demonstrating to those non-Swedish Scandinavians on this board that once again the Swedes got it wrong and there's data to prove it, if you use your Nokia phone: https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/swedish-coronavirus-no-lockdown-model-proves-lethal-by-hans-bergstrom-2020-04.  And yet Swedish is the second official language of Finland, even though Finnish is from a different linguistic universe than Swedish.  Probably political.

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Re: Coronavirus news
« Reply #1436 on: May 02, 2020, 01:27:26 PM »
So, never believe WHO, no matter what they say? (kidding).

Swedish in Finland - probably from the days of the Greater Scandinavian Co-Prosperity Sphere when the Swedish Empire covered all of Scandanavia, the Baltics, and a chunk of Russia and Poland.  Sweden and Norway finally split apart (the last time in 1905.  Earlier, Sweden "lost" Finland to Russia in 1809.  Far earlier, Sweden "departed" Denmark in 1523. 

Might the Empire still nurture the seeds of the gentle competition, lingering animosities, and scores to settle among the several Scandinavian Lutheran Churches in North America?

Wait until Gotland declares its independence - the Vikings have waited long enough!  (More likely, the Vikings will decamp Minnesota to reaquire seaside digs - tradition, you know).

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Re: Coronavirus news
« Reply #1437 on: May 02, 2020, 01:51:20 PM »
Treatment for acute COVID-19 patients in numerous states by Critical Care and Acute Pulmonary Distress Syndrome physicians (not academicians):

https://media2-production.mightynetworks.com/asset/9794803/Treating_Covid-19_in_ER_2_-_April_6_2020_final.pdf

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Re: Coronavirus news
« Reply #1438 on: May 02, 2020, 02:01:27 PM »
This isn't from The Onion or Babylon Bee:
https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/who-declares-swedens-covid-response-a-model-for-the-world/

Their approach is to partner with their citizens.  May be working, and they're no worse off than many nations at this stage of the panic.
This horse long ago left the barn in the USA, under the lash of a media and political agenda.

Here's a counterpoint article on Sweden, demonstrating to those non-Swedish Scandinavians on this board that once again the Swedes got it wrong and there's data to prove it, if you use your Nokia phone: https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/swedish-coronavirus-no-lockdown-model-proves-lethal-by-hans-bergstrom-2020-04.  And yet Swedish is the second official language of Finland, even though Finnish is from a different linguistic universe than Swedish.  Probably political.

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There's a province of Finland that was originally Swedish, so it's similar to Canada.
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Re: Coronavirus news
« Reply #1439 on: May 03, 2020, 03:59:19 PM »
Dr. Birx on the non-distancing protesters:  https://www.aol.com/article/news/2020/05/03/birx-says-protesters-not-practicing-social-distancing-are-devastatingly-worrisome/24186093/.

"Devastatingly worrisome" is on point.

Today is a test case day here.  Beautiful spring day, a lot of people out and about.  Precinct by precinct, the squad cars are being located guess where?  Parks.  They're present, they're breaking up close contact team games, they're being NYPD.  It's a good thing.  We saw about a dozen protesters at the Nassau County Courthouse on Friday.  No masks, and of course in a county with tens of thousands of infections and a couple of thousand deaths, with a drop in cases and a plan for reopening.  So the leadership is behaving responsibly.  Let them do their job. 

More to the point, though, the overwhelming percentage of people are physically distancing and are wearing personal protective gear in Brooklyn and Queens.  Because that corona microbe is known to be excessively nasty, and there's nobody around here who doesn't have great personal testimony about the effects in family, friends and neighbors.  The weather, though, plays in because we have been cooped up for six weeks.  There was actually traffic today, and with that comes a Jacksident - an accident on the Jackie Robinson Parkway, where I do my interborough traveling - Queens to Brooklyn and back; two curvy lanes wide each way for five miles and nowhere to go if both lanes are blocked. That's where you can learn some amazingly colorful language in real time.

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