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J.L. Precup

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Re: Ramifications
« Reply #15 on: October 14, 2019, 07:16:03 PM »
What is missing in this conversation is the fact that there are many states where such fires (caused by natural phenomenon as well as human error, etc.) are far more rare due to the fact that routinely clearing underbrush, cutting firebreaks, and a variety of other common sense preventatives are not done in California because the tree huggers and environmental wackos are far more interested in plants and animals than people and sadly, with the political climate in place making money off of it all, getting away with it.

Actually, the majority of the forested land in California is owned by the federal government and is their responsibility.

And, despite California being so populous, there is a lot of land with underbrush, etc. residing on hillsides and mountainsides with 30% or higher slopes.  Even here in the city, there was a recent car crash that went into a ravine about 60 feet deep...the problem was the only way to get the survivor out from between two steep slopes was by winching him aboard a helicopter. 

No wackos here petitioning the federal government to cooperate with Mexico to keep raw sewage from polluting our beaches from the Tijuana River.  No one here wanting to hug anything about that.
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Re: Ramifications
« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2019, 12:52:07 PM »
What is missing in this conversation is the fact that there are many states where such fires (caused by natural phenomenon as well as human error, etc.) are far more rare due to the fact that routinely clearing underbrush, cutting firebreaks, and a variety of other common sense preventatives are not done in California because the tree huggers and environmental wackos are far more interested in plants and animals than people and sadly, with the political climate in place making money off of it all, getting away with it.

Actually, the majority of the forested land in California is owned by the federal government and is their responsibility.

Not according to the government's official spokesperson  ;) - https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e7/Uncle_Sam_style_Smokey_Bear_Only_You.jpg

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Re: Ramifications
« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2019, 09:16:54 AM »
We're out of town again, so we're missing the current power loss, but hearing from home about the economic impact of businesses closed. Some restaurants are shutting down even before power outages are definite; they can't afford to wait to order food and then risk losing it. In our county many people are on wells, so no power also means no water. I understand power was out for a couple more days, and probably again tomorrow.
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Re: Ramifications
« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2019, 09:36:02 PM »
So for the last three days, PG&E has been threatening another power outage for Wednesday/Thursday. Everybody's getting ready for this, buying lanterns, buying generators, eating up food that might spoil, etc. As the day approached, it became more definitive: We WILL shut off the power, beginning about 7 a.m. Wednesday. Schools were cancelled. Businesses announced they would be closed. Then they changed it to 11 a.m. Then the announcement that, since conditions have changed, there won't be a power outage after all. Sigh.
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Re: Ramifications
« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2019, 10:40:16 PM »
The federal government adopted rules forbidding the clearing of dead trees, underbrush, etc. on federal lands during the Clinton years, on the basis that the decaying material is an important part of the natural ecosystem and removing it creates an artificial rather than natural environment. That may be quite true, but without such clearing of combustible debris, forest fires are the natural way such material is eventually removed.  As the combustible material built up it caused absolutely devastating forest fires in the Black Hills of South Dakota, something that had never happened in the modern era.  Fortunately, South Dakota had a secret weapon: Sen. Tom Daschle, Minority and later Majority Leader.  He was able to secure an exemption from the new rules for South Dakota, theoretically as an experiment, and once they started harvesting dead trees and removing underbrush again the fires stopped.

You know how usually there is a wide path created with only grass and no trees wherever major power lines run through a forest?  I never thought about the reason for that until I heard on a news program that it is a firebreak that serves to prevent downed lines from causing fires by removing fuel from their path. They said the specific problem with electrical transmission lines in California is that the state some years ago as part of their regulation of utilities forbade this practice and because the state not the federal government regulates utilities that applies to forests on both state and federal lands.  Enough time has elapsed that the resulting trees and brush growing beneath the lines are highly susceptible to fires from downed lines.
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