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Brian Stoffregen

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Re: Memorials Committee Tries to Avoid Trainwreck
« Reply #105 on: August 06, 2007, 10:13:03 PM »
So much for discipline.
Well, that's the discipline a bishop can give.
"The church had made us like ill-taught piano students; we play our songs, but we never really hear them, because our main concern is not to make music, but but to avoid some flub that will get us in dutch." [Robert Capon, _Between Noon and Three_, p. 148]

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Re: Memorials Committee Tries to Avoid Trainwreck
« Reply #106 on: August 06, 2007, 10:15:42 PM »
It's the "Comfy Chair" option, to be sure.

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« Reply #107 on: August 06, 2007, 10:18:55 PM »
So much for discipline.
Well, that's the discipline a bishop can give.

The "Comfy Chair" was prior to the one that massaged you.  Catch up with the times, will you?

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Re: Memorials Committee Tries to Avoid Trainwreck
« Reply #108 on: August 06, 2007, 10:25:17 PM »
The discipline of "private admonition and censure" of public and open sodomites is akin go the Comfy Chair used capably by the Monty Python Spanish Inquisitors.
The cases I know of, the pastors in a same-sex relationship were not all that public. Few outside of their conference knew of their relationship. All of the most public clergy I know of, are not on the ELCA roster and thus they are not subject to discipline by our bishops. In a case I know of, a local newspaper did an article on a homosexual clergy (who was in a relationship). That pastor told me that soon afterwards, there was phone call from the bishop, which I presume involved further private admonition and censure.

In contrast, no one keeps Jeff Johnson quiet.
"The church had made us like ill-taught piano students; we play our songs, but we never really hear them, because our main concern is not to make music, but but to avoid some flub that will get us in dutch." [Robert Capon, _Between Noon and Three_, p. 148]

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Re: Memorials Committee Tries to Avoid Trainwreck
« Reply #109 on: August 06, 2007, 10:30:52 PM »
So, they are not pastors in the ELCA, but they serve as pastors in ELCA congregations. Do those congregations get the "Comfy Chair" treatment too?

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Re: Memorials Committee Tries to Avoid Trainwreck
« Reply #110 on: August 06, 2007, 10:37:37 PM »
So, they are not pastors in the ELCA, but they serve as pastors in ELCA congregations. Do those congregations get the "Comfy Chair" treatment too?
The bishop can give congregations censure and admonition -- and it doesn't have to be private. In addition the bishop can file charges against a congregation, which then takes it to a discipline hearing committee. In the specific case of a congregation calling a non-rostered and non-authorized person as pastor, the bishop can bring a recommendation to the synod council to remove the congregation. I don't know of any case where this has happened. Three congregations within a synod can bring charges against another congregation. I don't know of any case where this has happened.
"The church had made us like ill-taught piano students; we play our songs, but we never really hear them, because our main concern is not to make music, but but to avoid some flub that will get us in dutch." [Robert Capon, _Between Noon and Three_, p. 148]