Started by Richard Johnson, July 31, 2007, 10:03:17 PM
Quote from: email@example.com on August 07, 2007, 01:44:56 PMCreeds were developed as, and are still needed for, bulwarks against heretical threats to the Scriptural truth revealed to us in, with, and through Christ. The Athanasian Creed puts it well in its summation: "This is the catholic faith. One cannot be saved without believing this firmly and faithfully."Pete (Reality Bites) Garrison
Quote from: Gary Schnitkey on August 07, 2007, 07:53:10 AMI simply have hard time seeing the usefulness of a creed in a post-modern world.
Quote from: Mark C. on August 07, 2007, 02:40:53 PMThank you for your response, Gary. It might be a good challenge for many of use, well, all of us, to look at the post-modern world and also find what is good about it. Like it or not, we have moved into one, and we are certainly going to have to find ways to preach to post-modern people, be church with post-modern people, and reach out to post-modern people. Actually, there is no future about it. They are already in our churches.Quote from: Gary Schnitkey on August 07, 2007, 07:53:10 AMI simply have hard time seeing the usefulness of a creed in a post-modern world.I see a good deal of usefulness in the Creeds. Not just any creed but in our specific and central Creeds: Apostles' and Nicene. They can form a lens through which we can see the world. Like the canon-within-the-canon, it forms a "useful bias" (to use a phrase one of my sem profs used for the canon-within-the-canon concept) through which to see the rest of the world. It forms a center around which our beliefs, understandings, theology, actions, and world-view can concentrate. In fact, it seems to me that in a post-modern world, the Creeds, or evean a creed, become all the more important.Mark C.
Quote from: Mel Harris on August 07, 2007, 03:53:24 PMIt seems to me that if one looks at the world through one of the various lenses of modern arrogance, often lumped together as post modernism, then one would logically have no use for the historic creeds of the church. Likewise, if one looks at the world through the lens of the historic creeds of the church, then one would have no use for post modern thinking.
QuoteI do not think that the world can be post modern, although it can be looked at through that lens (or those lenses). I do think that we can reach out with the gospel to people who have a post modern world view, but I do not think that they can come to our faith and continue to have a post modern view of the world.
QuoteThe mutually exclusive nature of post modernism and the historic faith expressed in the creeds, and therefore the impossibility of reasoned discussion between the two, seems to be what was behind our beloved moderator going ballistic at that table of pastors at the camp.
Quote from: ptmccain on August 07, 2007, 09:42:29 PMCan you give me a few concrete examples of classical theology expresed in postmodern language, and/as opposed to dry repetitions of shibboleths.