Started by Charles Austin, February 28, 2019, 06:49:50 AM
Quote from: Charles Austin on October 26, 2019, 05:44:30 PMBut we underestimated the hatred some have for the Clintons and/or "liberals."We who were disappointed Nov. 8 also over-estimated the common sense, intelligence and decency of the general population...
Quote from: mj4 on October 26, 2019, 06:53:23 PMRegarding the Nordic countries, let's remember that Sweden, for example, hasn't had a war in two centuries whereas we are currently involved in 6 or 7. We have so many overseas military bases I'd be surprised if even the Defense Department knows how many we have.
Quote from: Charles Austin on October 26, 2019, 05:44:30 PMPastor Fienen writes:Let's not forget that until the night of November 8, 2019 just about everyone figured that Hillary Clinton was a shoo-in for the next president. It was so certain that she didn't bother to campaign much in several of the meaningless Midwest states that would have little or no effect on the election anyway. There was absolutely no way that buffoon Donald Trump could possibly win. Politics is unpredictable.I comment:The concern was not the candidate. Almost everyone knew he was an immoral, lying fool. Even many of those who voted for him knew that. But we underestimated the hatred some have for the Clintons and/or "liberals."We who were disappointed Nov. 8 also over-estimated the common sense, intelligence and decency of the general population, and the power of a shameless demagogue to affect that population. We did not think we were 1930s Germans, falling victim to the blandishments of someone telling them how miserable they were, how bad their country was and picking someone to blame. Then there was the racism and sexism too.But that was long ago.
Quote from: Charles Austin on October 27, 2019, 12:54:24 AMPastor Fienen writes:Therefore the only reason they elected the man you disdain was that they were too stupid or morally weak to not see things your way. I comment:You are partially correct. Many of our fellow citizens are stupid and morally weak. And some of them are probably Democrats. But...
Quote from: peter_speckhard on October 26, 2019, 11:13:49 PMI still plan to vote for Trump. Never thought I would, but here we are. This thread changes my opinion of some of the other posters more than it does my likely vote.One challenge— demonstrate to me that Trump is a racist, in a meaningful sense of the word, but in the way all white people are racists or all conservatives. Show me why you think he is actually a real racist. If you can, I won't vote for him, as long as whoever takes up the challenge also refuses to vote for any Democrat who has done the same racist thing that proves Trump is a racist.
Quote from: Eileen Smith on October 27, 2019, 09:08:09 AMWe need a new ism in our vocabulary. We need an ism to define those who are, perhaps, uneducated, who work in a blue collar job, who work in a mine, who enjoy all sorts of sports, who cling to guns and religion, who speak with a twang, who don't have the gift of living on one of the elite coasts of this country. If among primarily conservative Republicans we have misogynism, racism, and the host of other isms, we need one to define progressive Democrats who seem to hold contempt for those who them deem inferior in intelligence.
QuoteWe also need an ism for what I see as hypocrisy of the left. Hillary Clinton didn't win the election and the analysis of the left holds that while sexism apparently must have played a role so did the hatred of the Clintons. No! It was Hillary who did this to herself. A lackluster candidate who went in knowing this was her entitlement. It was her casting aside the basket of deplorables. It was her policies (or lack thereof). It was her purely amoral character, the sense that she can do anything and get away with it. Yet when we say that those who resist Trump hate Trump (and practically cite the same rationale) well, no, they simply see the light -- his policies, all that he's taken away from us, his brashness, his business dealings. But no hate there.