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Re: John McCain: an American hero is laid to rest
« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2018, 01:47:20 PM »
and now our folks will for sure know that it is meet, right and dignified to do Sinatra and Danny Boy and offer all kinds of funny stories and remembrances of how I met, lived with and exchanged shots with the dearly departed ... 
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« Reply #16 on: September 01, 2018, 01:49:15 PM »
By the way, I liked the speeches, just wished they could have been delivered on the Senate Floor or some such place... and televised too...
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« Reply #17 on: September 01, 2018, 01:54:24 PM »
Meghan McCain, Joe Lieberman, George W. Bush, Barrack Obama, Henry Kissinger
were the famous people who gave eulogies.

Amazing Grace, How Great Thou Art, America the Beautiful, Battle Hymn of the Republic,
Danny Boy were the featured songs

The ceremony had the vibrations of a political rally rather than a Christian funeral.

The Homily by the Jesuit Priest was an embarrassment and lacked any content of Jesus
Christ who died and rose again to give forgiveness and eternal life in heaven to all who believe in Him.
But hey, he only spoke for about 3 minutes at the most.

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« Reply #18 on: September 01, 2018, 01:56:29 PM »
Dave, was the "preacher" a Jesuit priest?  He quoted Hopkins, whom he mentioned was a RC Priest... but I think he might have been on the staff of the Episcopal Cathedral.  Not sure.
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« Reply #19 on: September 01, 2018, 02:00:39 PM »
Actually John McCain did Trump a favor by saying he was not to be invited to his funeral.  Otherwise no matter what Trump had done he would have been excoriated - if he attended, he would have been accused of being a hypocrite.  If he had stayed away, he would have been accused of being unfeeling and petty.  It was a generous move on McCain's part to leave instructions that he not be invited.

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I agree, with the proviso that I think McCain did that out of respect for the Office of the President, and for his country.

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« Reply #20 on: September 01, 2018, 02:19:02 PM »
Since no Lutherans die who are really famous...

Oh, there have been a few. E.g., my neighbor, General John Vessey, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs and was a member of Shepherd of the Lake Lutheran in Garrison, MN. He's buried a few miles from where I am writing this.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_William_Vessey_Jr.

And Minnesota Governor J.A.O. Preus.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._A._O._Preus

I am quite sure that the pure Gospel was proclaimed at both of their funeral services.
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Re: John McCain: an American hero is laid to rest
« Reply #21 on: September 01, 2018, 02:28:04 PM »
but not on the level of the two recent funerals is what I meant, but of course you are, as always more correct...   
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Re: John McCain: an American hero is laid to rest
« Reply #22 on: September 01, 2018, 02:46:52 PM »
but not on the level of the two recent funerals is what I meant, but of course you are, as always more correct...

No need to be snarky, Harvey. I thought your point was "... I guess the only church that we can trust to bring out the Gospel in any extensive manner in large public/civic funerals are Roman Catholics." That simply is not the case.

https://www.kare11.com/video/news/funeral-for-general-john-vessey/89-2348282

"You be sure to tell everybody about Jesus."

http://www.startribune.com/memorial-service-held-for-former-joint-chiefs-chair-vessey/391932141/

"[General Vessey] left explicit orders about his memorial service: that there be no eulogy and the officiant talk about the power of Jesus Christ."
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Re: John McCain: an American hero is laid to rest
« Reply #23 on: September 01, 2018, 02:47:28 PM »
By the way, I liked the speeches, just wished they could have been delivered on the Senate Floor or some such place... and televised too...


Agreed.

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Re: John McCain: an American hero is laid to rest
« Reply #24 on: September 01, 2018, 03:34:09 PM »
My issue is not with the family, or even the they wished POTUS there or not. That was a family matter. ANd if Trump hasn't a clue why, after insulting a man who was brutalized and beaten for his country while he was attempting to avoid STDs because of his fornication, then he is short a few more tacos than even I had suspected.

The funeral went off the rails at the start when some representative of TEC  decided to declare that Jesus was "Resurrection and Life."

Nothing like lopping off definite articles found in the text to make everything so nice and inclusive. Maybe they should have gone with, "May the Force be with you."
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Re: John McCain: an American hero is laid to rest
« Reply #25 on: September 01, 2018, 03:38:19 PM »
Just asking: Was McCain overtly a man of Christian faith? I don't recall ever hearing that about him. That would obviously be a factor in evaluating the "Christian" nature of the service he planned. The "national cathedral's" self-image allows for plenty of events that are more affairs of state than Christian worship.
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« Reply #26 on: September 01, 2018, 03:46:53 PM »
but not on the level of the two recent funerals is what I meant, but of course you are, as always more correct...

No need to be snarky, Harvey. I thought your point was "... I guess the only church that we can trust to bring out the Gospel in any extensive manner in large public/civic funerals are Roman Catholics." That simply is not the case.

https://www.kare11.com/video/news/funeral-for-general-john-vessey/89-2348282

"You be sure to tell everybody about Jesus."

http://www.startribune.com/memorial-service-held-for-former-joint-chiefs-chair-vessey/391932141/

"[General Vessey] left explicit orders about his memorial service: that there be no eulogy and the officiant talk about the power of Jesus Christ."

One report says he is buried at Ft. Snelling; the other at Little Falls. Do you know which one? I suspect it's Ft. Snelling. A friend sent me a picture of his tombstone and he's definitely in a National Cemetery. I don't think Little Falls has one. (I once lived in Royalton, 10 miles away.)

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Re: John McCain: an American hero is laid to rest
« Reply #27 on: September 01, 2018, 03:51:11 PM »
Since no Lutherans die who are really famous...

Oh, there have been a few. E.g., my neighbor, General John Vessey, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs and was a member of Shepherd of the Lake Lutheran in Garrison, MN. He's buried a few miles from where I am writing this.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_William_Vessey_Jr.

And Minnesota Governor J.A.O. Preus.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._A._O._Preus

I am quite sure that the pure Gospel was proclaimed at both of their funeral services.


Chief Justice Rehnquist was Lutheran.  As I recall, his Lutheran pastor presided over his funeral, which took place at St Matthew's Cathedral in Washington.  The Catholics were gracious enough to make the cathedral available.

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« Reply #28 on: September 01, 2018, 03:57:12 PM »
Especially since Rehnquist, knowing full well what they get up to at Nat Cat made it clear that he would rise from his coffin and smite those who arranged for a service there.
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Re: John McCain: an American hero is laid to rest
« Reply #29 on: September 01, 2018, 03:58:54 PM »
but not on the level of the two recent funerals is what I meant, but of course you are, as always more correct...

No need to be snarky, Harvey. I thought your point was "... I guess the only church that we can trust to bring out the Gospel in any extensive manner in large public/civic funerals are Roman Catholics." That simply is not the case.

https://www.kare11.com/video/news/funeral-for-general-john-vessey/89-2348282

"You be sure to tell everybody about Jesus."

http://www.startribune.com/memorial-service-held-for-former-joint-chiefs-chair-vessey/391932141/

"[General Vessey] left explicit orders about his memorial service: that there be no eulogy and the officiant talk about the power of Jesus Christ."

One report says he is buried at Ft. Snelling; the other at Little Falls. Do you know which one? I suspect it's Ft. Snelling. A friend sent me a picture of his tombstone and he's definitely in a National Cemetery. I don't think Little Falls has one. (I once lived in Royalton, 10 miles away.)

Peace, JOHN

He's buried at the Minnesota State Veterans Cemetery in Little Falls, Minnesota. It's north of Little Falls (hometown of Charles Lindbergh) at Camp Ripley. Our place on Lake Shamineau is a few miles west of there. We can hear the soldiers on their two-week Guards training in the summer, playing with their .50 calibers.

https://mn.gov/mdva/memorials/stateveteranscemeteries/minnesota-state-veterans-cemetery-little-falls.jsp

Gen Vessey and his wife are buried there.

https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/1970079/memorial-search?firstName=&lastName=Vessey&page=1#sr-152865826

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/168647269/john-william-vessey

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/152865826/avis-claire-vessey
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