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« on: August 29, 2018, 04:24:58 PM »
We've had an interesting thread on the possible "end of the Catholic church," but I've read some interesting articles lately that all seem to dovetail with the idea that institutions, as such, formal and informal, are crumbling in Western Civilization if not the whole world. People usually seem to point to Brexit as the kickoff and the evisceration of the GOP by Trump followed by his stunning victory in the general election. A lot of stuff about the NATO and the UN can be linked to that, but what I think is interesting is how the thesis links such disparate things at the Catholic church and the NFL, the Oscars and law schools, denominational Christianity and the news media, and a whole bunch of other seemingly unrelated, formerly iconic but rapidly declining things. Silicon Valley seems to be possibly be still ascending, but even the major tech firms are showing signs they might soon crumble under their own monopolistic weight.

When a tree falls you can usually point to some cause, often a wind storm. But really in a lot cases it was a tree about to fall anyway, and it just needed a run of the mill wind storm, nothing it hadn't withstood dozens of times before, to make the fall happen. Trees don't live forever. The ostensible reason a tree falls- the 60 mph gust- isn't necessarily the real reason, just the thing that happened to coincide with the end of the tree's lifespan.

Right now it seems like all the trees of our culture are falling at once, but there is no particular windstorm to point to as the cause, just separate things that seem to be happening to each tree individually but concurrently. It is as though the forest just got old, and whether it is bugs, disease, vines, or wind, all the tree are dying.

If this admittedly debatable thesis is true, the question is what will replace the forest? Will a new spate of sapling institutions rise from the undergrowth as part of the natural cycles of the forest of Western Civilization, or is the forest itself dying? Certainly the Church will endure to the end, but what the form of it and more importantly the context of it look like apart from Western Civilization is tough to say.

   
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« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2018, 05:01:02 PM »
Given,
1) The driving force of modern capitalism (unhindered choice)
2) The internet's ability to transcend location (a virtual place for every choice)

Is it even possible to build new institutions? I've always taken the Power of the Keys to be indicative of real institutional authority, and primarily the power to bind, although the power to loose is huge in initial formation.  All these distributed choice groups are formed because of that loosing.  (Finally! Someone gets me!)  But is there any institution, outside of the state because of the force of arms, that can bind someone?  I think that is the real modern problem.  We are not willing to submit to the binding authority, and the barriers to society or cost of not doing so have fallen dramatically.  So every institution that we lose that can't be simply replaced with market mechanisms is just a hole created.

In Soloveitchik's Adam 2 phrases, we can no longer create covenant communities that satisfy the soul, only the resume.

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« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2018, 05:09:03 PM »
Some of the basic institutions of society over the centuries have been marriage/family, government, and religion.

None of those three are going away anytime soon.  Marriage has been weakened by divorce and co-habitation
as well as the introduction of gay marriage. However, marriage will still be the norm for a husband and wife to
raise children and enjoy the blessings of being a family.

Government will be necessary to provide law and order and offer protection to citizens of individual states and
nations.  Government has the God-given right to collect taxes in order to provide funds for the services it provides

Of course society has always had a religious dimension. The ancient Egyptians had their gods, Canaan had their
gods, and Israel worshiped the one true God.  In the New Testament era, the Romans and Greeks had their gods,
and Christianity gave us Jesus Christ who died and rose again for the salvation of those who believe in Him.
There will also be false religions like Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism and the like, yet Christianity will survive.

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« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2018, 05:09:57 PM »
These are both good posts.  At the older end of the spectrum, the way what you're both stating drills down is.............is my pension safe?  And then I think - you know, not that many people now even have a pension organized by the group in which they work.  As the union movement has been pushed out of existence or just failed, those pensions - linking thousands of lives - are now replaced by individual options. 

By the same token, I still think about my pension as a marker of institutional stability and continuity.  Mess with what you will.  Don't mess with that.

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« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2018, 07:04:51 PM »
We've had an interesting thread on the possible "end of the Catholic church," but I've read some interesting articles lately that all seem to dovetail with the idea that institutions, as such, formal and informal, are crumbling in Western Civilization if not the whole world. People usually seem to point to Brexit as the kickoff and the evisceration of the GOP by Trump followed by his stunning victory in the general election. A lot of stuff about the NATO and the UN can be linked to that, but what I think is interesting is how the thesis links such disparate things at the Catholic church and the NFL, the Oscars and law schools, denominational Christianity and the news media, and a whole bunch of other seemingly unrelated, formerly iconic but rapidly declining things. Silicon Valley seems to be possibly be still ascending, but even the major tech firms are showing signs they might soon crumble under their own monopolistic weight.

When a tree falls you can usually point to some cause, usually a wind storm. But really in a lot cases it was a tree about to fall and just needing a run of the mill wind storm, nothing it hadn't withstood dozens of times before, to make it happen. Trees don't live forever. The ostensible reason a tree falls- the 60 mph gust- isn't necessarily the real reason, just the thing that happened to coincide with the of the tree's lifespan.

Right now it seems like all the trees of our culture are falling at once, but there is no particular windstorm to point to as the cause, just separate things that seem to be happening to each tree individually but concurrently. It is as though the forest just got old, and whether it is bugs, disease, vines, or wind, all the tree are dying.

If this admittedly debatable thesis is true, the question is what will replace the forest? Will a new spate of sapling institutions rise from the undergrowth as part of the natural cycles of the forest of Western Civilization, or is the forest itself dying? Certainly the Church will endure to the end, but what the form of it and more importantly the context of it look like apart from Western Civilization is tough to say.
Nice post, Peter. I especially like the using the idea of the forest — there have been huge changes in recent years concerning thinking about the role of fires in forests — this article serves as an example of this change. Fires, it seems, often turn out to be — while destructive — useful and helpful to the local flora and fauna. I'd suggest that the West has not had a good burnout since WWII — whether it was war, massive economic and population upheaval due to technological change, disease (the black death, for instance, played its tune multiple times in European history, with significant shifts following because of population changes/losses). We have had an unnatural build-up of institutions, most of which (unlike the Church) are not rooted in such a way as to know where they are going once their founding generation no longer has a hand on the tiller.

These institutions have come to be seen as natural, even necessary and essential, and this is why there has been so much blather about Brexit, Trump, and the like — those who thought they had control of the institutions tied up discovered, much to their chagrin, that they didn't. Now they kick and whine and moan like toddlers about the world changing, both because they didn't get what they thought was rightfully theirs, and because the institutions they thought were so solid have proven to be built on sand and are not anchored into the bedrock. It drives them bonkers, and they are at a loss — thus the calls for free speech to be diminished, the search for enemies of the State (someone is clearly to blame), and for doubling down on their old, now clearly outmoded ideas and ways of doing things, as the problem could not have been the ideas or institutions, but their implementation (this helps explain the strange draw toward communism and socialism that can be found amongst the younger set, as they have no memory of just why those things are and were bad).

The hollowness of the other institutions you mention is explained in the very same way (always helpful): they have kept on going for the sake of either their own survival or for the sake of profit, without the motivating, human factors and ties that were so often behind their founding, development, and growth. There has not been a reason for the injection of people who are tied to the institution because they have a movement to get behind, but because that institution looks like a decent employer to hitch one's wagon or career to. When it comes to the articles I've seen about the current crisis in the RCC, I keep hearing about bishops and "careers" in the Church — the first time that was ever uttered out loud should have sparked a thorough housecleaning, as that is a clear signal that the rot has set in.

Yes, there will be new institutions, and they will do just fine (though those wading through the rubble in the interim won't have a good go of it). The Church will also stand, as you say and we know is promised, but bodies that are tied to their form will probably have the worst go of it. I'd even go so far as to say that loosely-governed from the outside, local-minded churches bound by a common confession are in the best spot in any coming crumble — they have something that is solid and yet not tied to a place or time (the Scriptures, the Confessions) along with the agility allowed by a loose confederation and the freedom to act as is and when appropriate in a particular time and place. A distributed Church will be interesting to watch and/or be a part of (depending on when/if/how things shift)l, and will be vital in the cultural game of whack-a-mole that is likely to be a part of a new cultural realignment.

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« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2018, 07:17:21 PM »
Some of the basic institutions of society over the centuries have been marriage/family, government, and religion.

None of those three are going away anytime soon.  Marriage has been weakened by divorce and co-habitation
as well as the introduction of gay marriage. However, marriage will still be the norm for a husband and wife to
raise children and enjoy the blessings of being a family.

Government will be necessary to provide law and order and offer protection to citizens of individual states and
nations.  Government has the God-given right to collect taxes in order to provide funds for the services it provides

Of course society has always had a religious dimension. The ancient Egyptians had their gods, Canaan had their
gods, and Israel worshiped the one true God.  In the New Testament era, the Romans and Greeks had their gods,
and Christianity gave us Jesus Christ who died and rose again for the salvation of those who believe in Him.
There will also be false religions like Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism and the like, yet Christianity will survive.
I think family, state, and religion are simply part of the definition of humanity and human civilization, in the sense that everyone has biological parents and people who cared for them when they were small, everyone lives where someone makes and enforces the rules, and some larger worldview determines the "ought" of things by identifying ideals. My question gets to whether the specifics of Western Civilization in historical continuity with identifiable Judeo-Christian and Greco-Roman roots of family, state, and church can still build up institutions.

Neuhaus often wrote that institutions are just movements with staying power. The animating ideas that gave rise to most of our institutions are losing their staying power, apparently. The question is, what are the underlying principles of the thing people think they're going to replace Western Civ with? I think the proposed ideas are mostly just warmed over paganism and nihilism under a mask of materialist utopianism.   



 
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« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2018, 07:41:58 PM »
Peterson’s *12 Rules* have some reflections on institutions that I found fascinating. Have you read it, Pete? Or any of the others?

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« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2018, 07:45:18 PM »


Yes, there will be new institutions, and they will do just fine (though those wading through the rubble in the interim won't have a good go of it). The Church will also stand, as you say and we know is promised, but bodies that are tied to their form will probably have the worst go of it. I'd even go so far as to say that loosely-governed from the outside, local-minded churches bound by a common confession are in the best spot in any coming crumble — they have something that is solid and yet not tied to a place or time (the Scriptures, the Confessions) along with the agility allowed by a loose confederation and the freedom to act as is and when appropriate in a particular time and place. A distributed Church will be interesting to watch and/or be a part of (depending on when/if/how things shift)l, and will be vital in the cultural game of whack-a-mole that is likely to be a part of a new cultural realignment.
This is a very helpful and hopeful idea-- the distributed church actually being the stronger form over time. I do think the human cost of trying to replace "Christendom," as measured in lives led in despair and brokenness, has already been quite high and will likely get nothing but higher.

I watched Three Billboards Outside Eddings, MO last night. Don't keep reading if you haven't seen it and can't stand spoilers. Found some of it distractingly cartoonish, but on the whole it was a fascinating movie. But (again, spoiler alert, don't say you weren't warned) the good guy whose posthumously read letters of wisdom shape the events of the second half of the movie begins his first letter by justifying his suicide as the truly noble thing and an act of higher love. The movie provided yet another of the million ways modern culture exults "transgressive" as an artistic and moral ideal. Institutions, by this view, are not the shape of movements over time, but simply oppressive limits on the preferred shape of individual human desire. The pure destructiveness of that view should be illustrated by the movie's animating crime, an apparently random rape/murder of a high school girl in the aftermath of which the movie takes place. The criminal simply did what he felt like doing, and nothing is closer to the heart of paganism and fallen human nature than the drive for sexual conquest and death. Tellingly, they never do identify the criminal, and the characters end the movie wondering whether to bother seeking vengeance on some other, similar criminal they did stumble across or whether there is any way they can truly know he is guilty. It is an amoral, almost meaningless world in which the one voice of reason kills himself.

I had a similar reaction to a totally different kind of movie several years ago. (Again, spoiler alert) In Silver Lining Playbook (again, highly recommend it with some quibbles) the main character is recuperating from a mental breakdown and wants nothing more than to salvage his marriage. He dedicates himself whole-heartedly to that goal, and in the end it looks like he is finally getting the chance to make it a real possibility, but events and other characters have by then convinced him that saving his marriage was not a great goal compared to running off with his new love. And it is a romantic comedy/drama; that is, this abandoning of his prior devotion to wife and marriage in favor of launching into newer and truer romantic love marks the triumph rather than the tragic failure of the main character. Neither of these movies could have been made even a few decades ago; the taboo on suicide and cultural loyalty to at least the idealism of marriage (both, in my view, very good things) would have prevented it.       
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« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2018, 07:52:30 PM »
Peterson’s *12 Rules* have some reflections on institutions that I found fascinating. Have you read it, Pete? Or any of the others?
I have, shall we say, skimmed it. I've read a lot of article about it, and read the first couple of chapters as well as the basic thesis of the rest of the chapters. But I was disappointed reading it because it seemed like he explained things so exhaustively that the reader got the point several pages before the explanation of that point ended.

But what I like about it is that Peterson, like Rieff, seems very aware of his debt as a scholar and citizen to Western Civilization and the Judeo-Christian animating principle behind much of our morality, quite apart from any personal moral or religious views.

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« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2018, 08:35:36 PM »
We've had an interesting thread on the possible "end of the Catholic church," but I've read some interesting articles lately that all seem to dovetail with the idea that institutions, as such, formal and informal, are crumbling in Western Civilization if not the whole world. People usually seem to point to Brexit as the kickoff and the evisceration of the GOP by Trump followed by his stunning victory in the general election. A lot of stuff about the NATO and the UN can be linked to that, but what I think is interesting is how the thesis links such disparate things at the Catholic church and the NFL, the Oscars and law schools, denominational Christianity and the news media, and a whole bunch of other seemingly unrelated, formerly iconic but rapidly declining things. Silicon Valley seems to be possibly be still ascending, but even the major tech firms are showing signs they might soon crumble under their own monopolistic weight.

When a tree falls you can usually point to some cause, usually a wind storm. But really in a lot cases it was a tree about to fall and just needing a run of the mill wind storm, nothing it hadn't withstood dozens of times before, to make it happen. Trees don't live forever. The ostensible reason a tree falls- the 60 mph gust- isn't necessarily the real reason, just the thing that happened to coincide with the of the tree's lifespan.

Right now it seems like all the trees of our culture are falling at once, but there is no particular windstorm to point to as the cause, just separate things that seem to be happening to each tree individually but concurrently. It is as though the forest just got old, and whether it is bugs, disease, vines, or wind, all the tree are dying.

If this admittedly debatable thesis is true, the question is what will replace the forest? Will a new spate of sapling institutions rise from the undergrowth as part of the natural cycles of the forest of Western Civilization, or is the forest itself dying? Certainly the Church will endure to the end, but what the form of it and more importantly the context of it look like apart from Western Civilization is tough to say.
Nice post, Peter. I especially like the using the idea of the forest — there have been huge changes in recent years concerning thinking about the role of fires in forests — this article serves as an example of this change. Fires, it seems, often turn out to be — while destructive — useful and helpful to the local flora and fauna. I'd suggest that the West has not had a good burnout since WWII — whether it was war, massive economic and population upheaval due to technological change, disease (the black death, for instance, played its tune multiple times in European history, with significant shifts following because of population changes/losses). We have had an unnatural build-up of institutions, most of which (unlike the Church) are not rooted in such a way as to know where they are going once their founding generation no longer has a hand on the tiller.

These institutions have come to be seen as natural, even necessary and essential, and this is why there has been so much blather about Brexit, Trump, and the like — those who thought they had control of the institutions tied up discovered, much to their chagrin, that they didn't. Now they kick and whine and moan like toddlers about the world changing, both because they didn't get what they thought was rightfully theirs, and because the institutions they thought were so solid have proven to be built on sand and are not anchored into the bedrock. It drives them bonkers, and they are at a loss — thus the calls for free speech to be diminished, the search for enemies of the State (someone is clearly to blame), and for doubling down on their old, now clearly outmoded ideas and ways of doing things, as the problem could not have been the ideas or institutions, but their implementation (this helps explain the strange draw toward communism and socialism that can be found amongst the younger set, as they have no memory of just why those things are and were bad).

The hollowness of the other institutions you mention is explained in the very same way (always helpful): they have kept on going for the sake of either their own survival or for the sake of profit, without the motivating, human factors and ties that were so often behind their founding, development, and growth. There has not been a reason for the injection of people who are tied to the institution because they have a movement to get behind, but because that institution looks like a decent employer to hitch one's wagon or career to. When it comes to the articles I've seen about the current crisis in the RCC, I keep hearing about bishops and "careers" in the Church — the first time that was ever uttered out loud should have sparked a thorough housecleaning, as that is a clear signal that the rot has set in.

Yes, there will be new institutions, and they will do just fine (though those wading through the rubble in the interim won't have a good go of it). The Church will also stand, as you say and we know is promised, but bodies that are tied to their form will probably have the worst go of it. I'd even go so far as to say that loosely-governed from the outside, local-minded churches bound by a common confession are in the best spot in any coming crumble — they have something that is solid and yet not tied to a place or time (the Scriptures, the Confessions) along with the agility allowed by a loose confederation and the freedom to act as is and when appropriate in a particular time and place. A distributed Church will be interesting to watch and/or be a part of (depending on when/if/how things shift)l, and will be vital in the cultural game of whack-a-mole that is likely to be a part of a new cultural realignment.

Thanks for a lot of good thinking on this, WJV.  Institutions suffer from entropy even when they look healthy on the outside.  The "inside" changes may also be unhealthy or at best a form of stasis, which always leads to their end.
Constant maintenance and Reformation properly grounded is necessary to avoid both, at least possible for a while.
Neither is a result of either innovation or of circling the wagons around blind institutional tradition.  Such tradition too often believes it needs to reinterpret core beliefs to keep treading water.  The alternative of reinvention too often becomes one of reinventing the core beliefs regardless of the operational trappings.

Beware of Hollow Institutions, either way!

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« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2018, 08:50:17 PM »
I'm thinking of the LCMS now as it prepares to spend millions of dollars to transport over a thousand people to a convention that presents a major travel bill and commitment of time for starters.  I think that over 90% of the convention could be conducted online (including voting (or casting lots)).  I'm not overly picking on the LCMS here, but the institution does seem to be shoring itself up by doing things the way they were always done.
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« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2018, 09:36:45 PM »
I'm thinking of the LCMS now as it prepares to spend millions of dollars to transport over a thousand people to a convention that presents a major travel bill and commitment of time for starters.  I think that over 90% of the convention could be conducted online (including voting (or casting lots)).  I'm not overly picking on the LCMS here, but the institution does seem to be shoring itself up by doing things the way they were always done.

I do understand your concern with the expense and time of travel.  But I'd like to offer another consideration and that is relationships - collegiality.  Last night I read that the Diakonia program will be offered on-line.  There is a cost to the program and not every area in the ELCA has the program available so I understand.... sort of.  I would say that one of the greatest benefits to me of the diakonia program was the collegiality.  We were a very diverse group of students, not simply ethnicity but age, education, employment as well.   Last evening we went for a walk in a local park and along the way we stopped and met a young woman working on a laptop.  She explained that she works for an ad agency at home.  It's convenient in that she can make her own hours.  But I couldn't help remember that on the 10th anniversary of my tenure at ING I told a colleague that it was the relationships -- the collegiality -- that made the job fun on the best days and bearable on the difficult days.   

What is any institution other than its people?  The EU is made up of countries -- but those countries are made up of people.  The Roman Catholic church has structures, cathedrals, churches, schools -- but it is made up of people.  It seems that if these large institutions are crumbling what is actually crumbling are relationships -- the people.   There is a growing field in human resources, that of teaching college grads how to go on job interviews and I don't mean how to answer interview questions but rather how to have a conversation that is not on-line.   Have you witnessed families or friends in a restaurant typing away on an electronic device rather than having  a conversation?    Have you been in conversation with a family member, a friend, or a colleague only to be interrupted (regularly) by an electronic communication?  We are losing our ability to create and maintain one-on-one communications.

As we isolate ourselves by engaging in electronic relationships, absenting ourselves from a formal workplace, studying alone, staying away from church -- all those areas of life where relationships are born and flourish, one can see how an institution might not endure, for there are fewer and fewer relationships to sustain it. 

 

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« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2018, 11:55:51 PM »
Thanks for a lot of good thinking on this, WJV.  Institutions suffer from entropy even when they look healthy on the outside.  The "inside" changes may also be unhealthy or at best a form of stasis, which always leads to their end.
Constant maintenance and Reformation properly grounded is necessary to avoid both, at least possible for a while.
Neither is a result of either innovation or of circling the wagons around blind institutional tradition.  Such tradition too often believes it needs to reinterpret core beliefs to keep treading water.  The alternative of reinvention too often becomes one of reinventing the core beliefs regardless of the operational trappings.

Beware of Hollow Institutions, either way!
Thanks for your response — there are a huge number of such hollow institutions in our time. Sears and JC Penny are all but zombies — go suggest that to your 1988 self and your old self would have to wonder just how that happened.

Just so, a surprising number of small colleges are closing of late, and it isn't only because people are going for the distance model or the costs are just too high (though they really are crazy high). They're not getting students because the schools themselves aren't changing. I dropped by my alma mater this summer for the first time since 2000, and large extents of the campus were either entirely different or radically altered from my last visit, and things had already changed much since I'd graduated a few years before my last visit there. I couldn't afford to send my kids there today, but even with the costs the school seems to be unable not to grow — this is because they knew who they were but decided to change and grow. I'm not worried that my degree-granting institution is going anywhere. I have deep questions about its direction, but not its long-term survival or prospects inner vibrancy. If there is a reason to keep going outside of keeping the bus moving, there is a good chance for the institution to survive — and to avoid trying to invent a reason to keep on keeping on.

Eileen's point about relationships is also very well taken, especially in how they help keep institutions going. With this in mind, let's apply it to a specific situation: seminaries that are trending in the directions she warns of. While I have no real objection to theological distance learning as such (classes are classes), a seminary should be much more than just a place to learn information. There's a lot of talk about "formation", but that goes only so far and can only be forced on students to a degree. The relationships that help keep a church body going institutionally are those that are built on shared experiences, shared lives, and the webs grown while those lives are lived and experiences had. Residential life over a 3-4 year span is, to my mind, vital to the formation of pastors.

For instance: a four-year experience, with one year of vicarage, builds a 7-year-wide set of relationships that can number in the hundreds, if there are enough students involved. Even if these are only handshake relationships, that can be enough to be the basis for a good working relationship when paths cross years down the road. These are the people you are going to track with through your life in the parish, these are the people who are facing many of the same problems and issues at the same time, these are the people you grow to know, trust, and work with through classes, sports, eating together in the cafeteria, serving in a local parish together, and involvement in other campus activities — the same people you learn about and learn who to call on when in a tight spot, need advice, or want to bounce something off of. That's what's really needed in our easily-fragmented time, and is what isn't going to be had through distance education (and it shows the value of electronic communication, used wisely — it's quick, direct, and able to fit in-between each day's seams). The communication Eileen rightly speaks of has to be built somewhere, and the day-to-day demands of parish and family life often do not allow time in the parish for those relationships to be built. Our churches and church bodies need those relationships so that we can help each other and help hold each other up.
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William Strauss and Neil Howe have a book The Fourth Turning: What the Cycles of History Tell Us About America's Next Rendezvous with Destiny  1997, that has a pretty good template to work with on an interim basis to understand institutional change in generational terms.  Their thesis that we are currently in a "fourth turning" seems to be holding true to a degree.  Every previous "fourth turning" has produced major social order upheaval and even war.  Their notion of the generational strengths and weaknesses to address crisis is useful.  Adam Garfinkel's article "In Way too Little We Trust" from the American Interest website is also relevant. 
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« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2018, 08:25:49 AM »
Thanks for a lot of good thinking on this, WJV.  Institutions suffer from entropy even when they look healthy on the outside.  The "inside" changes may also be unhealthy or at best a form of stasis, which always leads to their end.
Constant maintenance and Reformation properly grounded is necessary to avoid both, at least possible for a while.
Neither is a result of either innovation or of circling the wagons around blind institutional tradition.  Such tradition too often believes it needs to reinterpret core beliefs to keep treading water.  The alternative of reinvention too often becomes one of reinventing the core beliefs regardless of the operational trappings.

Beware of Hollow Institutions, either way!
Thanks for your response — there are a huge number of such hollow institutions in our time. Sears and JC Penny are all but zombies — go suggest that to your 1988 self and your old self would have to wonder just how that happened.

Just so, a surprising number of small colleges are closing of late, and it isn't only because people are going for the distance model or the costs are just too high (though they really are crazy high). They're not getting students because the schools themselves aren't changing. I dropped by my alma mater this summer for the first time since 2000, and large extents of the campus were either entirely different or radically altered from my last visit, and things had already changed much since I'd graduated a few years before my last visit there. I couldn't afford to send my kids there today, but even with the costs the school seems to be unable not to grow — this is because they knew who they were but decided to change and grow. I'm not worried that my degree-granting institution is going anywhere. I have deep questions about its direction, but not its long-term survival or prospects inner vibrancy. If there is a reason to keep going outside of keeping the bus moving, there is a good chance for the institution to survive — and to avoid trying to invent a reason to keep on keeping on.

Eileen's point about relationships is also very well taken, especially in how they help keep institutions going. With this in mind, let's apply it to a specific situation: seminaries that are trending in the directions she warns of. While I have no real objection to theological distance learning as such (classes are classes), a seminary should be much more than just a place to learn information. There's a lot of talk about "formation", but that goes only so far and can only be forced on students to a degree. The relationships that help keep a church body going institutionally are those that are built on shared experiences, shared lives, and the webs grown while those lives are lived and experiences had. Residential life over a 3-4 year span is, to my mind, vital to the formation of pastors.

For instance: a four-year experience, with one year of vicarage, builds a 7-year-wide set of relationships that can number in the hundreds, if there are enough students involved. Even if these are only handshake relationships, that can be enough to be the basis for a good working relationship when paths cross years down the road. These are the people you are going to track with through your life in the parish, these are the people who are facing many of the same problems and issues at the same time, these are the people you grow to know, trust, and work with through classes, sports, eating together in the cafeteria, serving in a local parish together, and involvement in other campus activities — the same people you learn about and learn who to call on when in a tight spot, need advice, or want to bounce something off of. That's what's really needed in our easily-fragmented time, and is what isn't going to be had through distance education (and it shows the value of electronic communication, used wisely — it's quick, direct, and able to fit in-between each day's seams). The communication Eileen rightly speaks of has to be built somewhere, and the day-to-day demands of parish and family life often do not allow time in the parish for those relationships to be built. Our churches and church bodies need those relationships so that we can help each other and help hold each other up.

Thanks for these comments.  We're tackling the seminary connection in a major way at our smallish congregation far from the Midwest beginning this week.  We have two seminarians, one in the EIIT program and the other in the Hispanic Institute.  Both belong to cohorts of compadres who will eventually be co-padres.  The Hispanic Institute connects the seminarians with deaconess and master's degree students - courses are all in Spanish.  The face-to-face time, which you connect to duration of relationship and therefore quality of institutional framework, is relatively minimal, as it is by nature in OJT (on the job training) programs.  So we're monitoring that. 

At the same time, our Atlantic District Lay Deacon program had, in its past versions, a lot of face time assisted by the fact that the students were learning regionally, so they could journey to a location for the courses within an hour of home.  And those now-district-commissioned deacons invariably state that the connection to their teachers (local pastors including several who are on this board) and to one another was of high importance to their training.  They still meet quarterly for continuing education and sharing in addition to twice-annual retreats.  The current version is more online.  The prospective students - three - from my congregation want the face to face level training. 

So I'm in between.  What I have heard from SMP and other distance education graduates in the Missouri Synod is that the collegiality and connections to fellow students and to the institution are very durable and relationships flourish across country long after ordination.  Part of that, I think, is the size of the cohorts and classes, which is small and encourages the development of relationships in and around theological and practical formation, even through mostly distance training.

Dave Benke
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