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Re: Huge Stress Lines Exposed in the Church of England
« Reply #90 on: March 15, 2017, 05:36:57 PM »
 We have been down this road before. During the time I worked as a national and international church executive, during the time I was in secular work, earning my living outside the church, I was never without some sort of attachment to a parish. I preached, I presided, I taught, I provided pastoral care as needed. I was not earning my living as a "Pastor," but i get really irked when someone tries to tell me I was not a pastor.
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« Reply #91 on: March 15, 2017, 06:04:28 PM »
As Mr. Gale said, "The issue has been extensively litigated here." It is a difference--certainly in terminology, maybe in understanding of the doctrine of the ministry--between ELCA and LCMS (at least officially; individual beliefs may vary).
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Re: Huge Stress Lines Exposed in the Church of England
« Reply #92 on: March 15, 2017, 09:50:01 PM »
As Mr. Gale said, "The issue has been extensively litigated here." It is a difference--certainly in terminology, maybe in understanding of the doctrine of the ministry--between ELCA and LCMS (at least officially; individual beliefs may vary).

Way back at the dawn of time in 1981, the Missouri Synod's Commission on Theology and Church Relations put out this document, which I believe was accepted by the next Synodical convention for use and guidance.  See especially "G."  file:///C:/Users/Dell/Downloads/Ministry-Offices-Procedures-Nomenclature%201981.pdf

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Re: Huge Stress Lines Exposed in the Church of England
« Reply #93 on: March 15, 2017, 11:58:23 PM »
As Mr. Gale said, "The issue has been extensively litigated here." It is a difference--certainly in terminology, maybe in understanding of the doctrine of the ministry--between ELCA and LCMS (at least officially; individual beliefs may vary).

Way back at the dawn of time in 1981, the Missouri Synod's Commission on Theology and Church Relations put out this document, which I believe was accepted by the next Synodical convention for use and guidance.  See especially "G."  file:///C:/Users/Dell/Downloads/Ministry-Offices-Procedures-Nomenclature%201981.pdf

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The Ministry: Offices, Procedures and Nomenclature is available online here. For those who are interested, a CTQ article discussing the CTCR report can be found here.

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Re: Huge Stress Lines Exposed in the Church of England
« Reply #94 on: March 16, 2017, 08:59:59 PM »
As Mr. Gale said, "The issue has been extensively litigated here." It is a difference--certainly in terminology, maybe in understanding of the doctrine of the ministry--between ELCA and LCMS (at least officially; individual beliefs may vary).

Way back at the dawn of time in 1981, the Missouri Synod's Commission on Theology and Church Relations put out this document, which I believe was accepted by the next Synodical convention for use and guidance.  See especially "G."  file:///C:/Users/Dell/Downloads/Ministry-Offices-Procedures-Nomenclature%201981.pdf

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The Ministry: Offices, Procedures and Nomenclature is available online here. For those who are interested, a CTQ article discussing the CTCR report can be found here.

Thanks for this.  Some really interesting items in this article.  I enjoyed the citation from Pieper that undergirds "temporary" calls with the example of someone who's both a District President and parish pastor needing help.  I wish I had known; I would have asked for a three year assistant three years at a time. 

Also, there's the instance of a book written by someone on the more "functional" side of the "office/function" divide in 1964 stating that C.F.W. Walther had erred and that his opinion was not scriptural.  The book was published by none other than Concordia Publishing House.  That to me absolutely stands on end the most recent amendments to the Synodical bylaws on dissent, which are level one squelchers of dissent.  If that book were written today, the man would be off the roster.  And I guess CPH would be removed as the Synodical Publishing House.  What this evidences to me is the results of the debilitation and polarization of theological discourse among us.

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Re: Huge Stress Lines Exposed in the Church of England
« Reply #95 on: March 16, 2017, 09:37:56 PM »

Also, there's the instance of a book written by someone on the more "functional" side of the "office/function" divide in 1964 stating that C.F.W. Walther had erred and that his opinion was not scriptural.

Out of curiosity, what book is that?

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Re: Huge Stress Lines Exposed in the Church of England
« Reply #96 on: March 16, 2017, 10:23:50 PM »

Also, there's the instance of a book written by someone on the more "functional" side of the "office/function" divide in 1964 stating that C.F.W. Walther had erred and that his opinion was not scriptural.

Out of curiosity, what book is that?

Arnold C. Mueller, The Ministry of the Lutheran Teacher (St. Louis:
Concordia Publishing House, 1964), pp. 11-12.

By the way, there was a time according to the article when male teachers in our fellowship were not "commissioned" but ordained.  I hadn't known that. 

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