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Re: Election followup.
« Reply #885 on: December 15, 2016, 12:27:24 PM »
Pastor Fienen writes:
The only people that you find worth listening to are your contemporaries from the ELCA.  A waste of your time and attention to suggest that anyone other than your group have anything worth listening to.

I muse:
Where did I ever say that? You are way off base.
Among the authors who have always been close at hand during my ministry. Gustav Aulen, Gustaf Wingren, Arthur Carl Piepkorn (You've heard of him), George Forell (LCA, I know, but hardly a radical), Edmund Schlink, our Dr. Luther, Richard John Neuhaus (I know, formerly ELCA, but previously LCMS and later Roman Catholic), and some others of various traditions.
I even read Walther (way back in time), but did not find him compelling.
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Re: Election followup.
« Reply #886 on: December 15, 2016, 02:05:53 PM »
I have taken issue with some of the Repristination homage on the Missouri side of the aisle, whereby what is printed and read must be from either the ancient Confessors, our personal Ur-Confessor Walther, or (to a lesser degree) the Church Fathers.  No one else need apply, with the possible exception of Robert Preus.  Stuff has happened in the interim, and contemporary wrestlings should also be parsed, no?

That being said, most Protestant Christians in my catchment zone, as well as my parishioners as I hear them articulate their practices, are doing the overwhelming majority of their reading in this other volume called The Bible. 

And somehow they manage to limp along just on the strength of the Word of God, which self-describes as "alive and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division between bone and marrow, soul and spirit, discerning the innermost thoughts of the heart."

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Re: Election followup.
« Reply #887 on: December 15, 2016, 03:09:23 PM »
Like the Good Samaritan, the parable of the treasure in the field is also about Christ.  That is, He is the One who gives all and buys the whole field (He redeems the whole world with His Self-sacrifice) in order to have the treasure (the Church).  Same with the parable of the pearl -- YOU are so precious and valuable to God that He sold everything (again, a reference to Christ's Self-sacrifice) just to have you as His own.


That's another interpretation.
"The church … had made us like ill-taught piano students; we play our songs, but we never really hear them, because our main concern is not to make music, but but to avoid some flub that will get us in dutch." [Robert Capon, _Between Noon and Three_, p. 148]

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Re: Election followup.
« Reply #888 on: December 15, 2016, 03:10:32 PM »
Like the Good Samaritan, the parable of the treasure in the field is also about Christ.  That is, He is the One who gives all and buys the whole field (He redeems the whole world with His Self-sacrifice) in order to have the treasure (the Church).  Same with the parable of the pearl -- YOU are so precious and valuable to God that He sold everything (again, a reference to Christ's Self-sacrifice) just to have you as His own.


That's another interpretation.

And the correct one.  :)

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Re: Election followup.
« Reply #889 on: December 15, 2016, 03:11:28 PM »
Like the Good Samaritan, the parable of the treasure in the field is also about Christ.  That is, He is the One who gives all and buys the whole field (He redeems the whole world with His Self-sacrifice) in order to have the treasure (the Church).  Same with the parable of the pearl -- YOU are so precious and valuable to God that He sold everything (again, a reference to Christ's Self-sacrifice) just to have you as His own.

Indeed, as we learned from Sunday School. Then some grow up and become so smart that they must question and quibble about nearly everything Biblical. "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools."


And if Martin Luther hadn't questioned what he learned in Sunday School and in the monastery and university, we wouldn't have had the Reformation.
"The church … had made us like ill-taught piano students; we play our songs, but we never really hear them, because our main concern is not to make music, but but to avoid some flub that will get us in dutch." [Robert Capon, _Between Noon and Three_, p. 148]

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Re: Election followup.
« Reply #890 on: December 15, 2016, 04:25:20 PM »
Like the Good Samaritan, the parable of the treasure in the field is also about Christ.  That is, He is the One who gives all and buys the whole field (He redeems the whole world with His Self-sacrifice) in order to have the treasure (the Church).  Same with the parable of the pearl -- YOU are so precious and valuable to God that He sold everything (again, a reference to Christ's Self-sacrifice) just to have you as His own.

Indeed, as we learned from Sunday School. Then some grow up and become so smart that they must question and quibble about nearly everything Biblical. "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools."

And if Martin Luther hadn't questioned what he learned in Sunday School and in the monastery and university, we wouldn't have had the Reformation.

 :o :o This makes about as much sense, BPS.

If my Dad had been killed on Okinawa in the battle for Hacksaw Ridge, I wouldn't be here and wouldn't have had a chance to learn in Sunday School.

http://deadline.com/2016/12/hacksaw-ridge-veteran-son-letter-mel-gibson-1201871327/

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Re: Election followup.
« Reply #891 on: December 19, 2016, 05:41:58 PM »
Texas just made it official--Donald Trump has received a clear majority of the actual votes in the Electoral College (304).  Ironically, the two "faithless" Trump electors in Texas who voted for John Kasich and Ron Paul were more than offset by four "faithless" Clinton electors in Washington who cast three votes for another former Secretary of State, Colin Powell, and one for Native American activist Faith Spotted Eagle.
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Re: Election followup.
« Reply #892 on: December 19, 2016, 06:08:39 PM »
Texas just made it official--Donald Trump has received a clear majority of the actual votes in the Electoral College (304).  Ironically, the two "faithless" Trump electors in Texas who voted for John Kasich and Ron Paul were more than offset by four "faithless" Clinton electors in Washington who cast three votes for another former Secretary of State, Colin Powell, and one for Native American activist Faith Spotted Eagle.


A few other electors tried to cast votes for someone other than Trump or Clinton.  A Maine elector tried to vote for Sanders.  The chair ruled the vote out of order.  The elector then complied with state law and voted for Clinton.  A Minnesota elector also was ruled to be "faithless" and therefore was replaced by an alternate who voted for Clinton.  The same thing apparently happened in Colorado.  There may be other examples.
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Re: Election followup.
« Reply #893 on: December 19, 2016, 07:18:01 PM »
7 dumped Clinton. 2 dumped Trump. If she were not the vile lite weight Lady Macbeth that she is, I would almost feel sorry for her. Snatching defeat from the jaws of defeat.
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Re: Election followup.
« Reply #894 on: December 19, 2016, 09:47:29 PM »
So Donald Trump was elected President of these United States today by the Electoral College. It's interesting that it was a fourth story down on NBC news this evening. The cold weather beat his ascension to the throne. God bless America that we now have a bunch of billionaires appointed to cabinet posts and most of whom have no idea what their posts are all about. Rick Perry as Secretary of Energy?

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Re: Election followup.
« Reply #895 on: December 19, 2016, 09:58:56 PM »
7 dumped Clinton. 2 dumped Trump. If she were not the vile lite weight Lady Macbeth that she is, I would almost feel sorry for her. Snatching defeat from the jaws of defeat.


NYT says 5 dumped Clinton.
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Re: Election followup.
« Reply #896 on: December 19, 2016, 10:47:43 PM »
7 dumped Clinton. 2 dumped Trump. If she were not the vile lite weight Lady Macbeth that she is, I would almost feel sorry for her. Snatching defeat from the jaws of defeat.


NYT says 5 dumped Clinton.

NPR 7. So which Liberal/Progressive fetish object to believe?
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Re: Election followup.
« Reply #897 on: December 19, 2016, 11:06:57 PM »
Ya. You would think the MSM would at least get the vote correct. Sigh
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Re: Election followup.
« Reply #898 on: December 19, 2016, 11:23:40 PM »
I'm  just trying to imagine how badly the mainstream media  would be reacting if the shoe were on the other foot and Trump supporters were trying to undo the election in the electoral college.
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Re: Election followup.
« Reply #899 on: December 19, 2016, 11:29:51 PM »
7 dumped Clinton. 2 dumped Trump. If she were not the vile lite weight Lady Macbeth that she is, I would almost feel sorry for her. Snatching defeat from the jaws of defeat.


NYT says 5 dumped Clinton.


In Texas, one elector voted for Kasich and one for Paul.  In Washington, three electors voted for Powell and one for a native-American activist.  One Hawaii elector voted for Bernie.  One elector in each of Colorado, Minnesota, and Maine tried to vote for someone other than Clinton.  However, because of state law, each either ultimately did vote for Clinton or stepped aside in favor of an alternate who did.  So, seven electors succeeded in voting for someone other than the winner of the state/district popular vote.  Three tried and failed to do so.