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Floor Committee 2 International Mission
« on: July 10, 2016, 12:13:10 PM »
Resolution 2-01 is first up. To thank Missionaries.

Should be uncontroversial except for the final resolved - calling for a Mission Reunion which will cost synod $30,000!

A former missionary from Paupa speaks in favor of the resolution, and encourages more missionaries.

Incidentally West Paupa (not legally part of Paupa New Guinea) is one of these areas around the world where there is a horrific genocide of the local people (complicated but it involves Indonesian control)

A couple of other missionaries and missionary kids speak up in favor of the resolution.

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Re: Floor Committee 2 International Mission
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2016, 12:13:55 PM »
And here comes a pastor to propose an amendment deleting the final resolved and save synod $30,000.

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« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2016, 12:18:04 PM »
A former missionary kid speaks against the amendment. Groups are currently meeting. This funding will help to spur additional groups that will hopefully become ongoing and which also has the potential to spur future missionaries.

Amendment goes to vote...
Amendment fails by margin of 82%.

Back to discussion.

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« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2016, 12:23:58 PM »
Question about how these individual proposals affect the overall financial picture of synod.

Treasurer of Synod is called to the floor. Explains that 339-341 of Today's Business (Sunday) has determined financial impact (as is mandated by the bylaw). It is not the purview of the bylaw for the Treasurer's office to determine whether we should fund it or not.

President votes for closure of debate.

2.01 passes with 90 % of the vote. (A good example of why these conventions take so long. 10 % of the folks leads to 10 minutes of debate).

Former mission workers stand and are thanked. Then the convention sings.


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Re: Floor Committee 2 International Mission
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2016, 12:31:21 PM »
Resolution 2-02 To thank God and Ask for additional support of Missionaries.

No money requested - should be a no brainer.

Question about the decline in short term (1-2 year missionaries) and whether we are thanking God for the decline.

The chair responds - no, we are not thanking God for the decline.

Call to end debate... and now the vote...

93.5% pass the vote.

Rest of the floor committee 2 will have to wait.

Point of order about us not singing a second doxology. Chair determines that we will hold off on the repeated doxologies to the end.

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Re: Floor Committee 2 International Mission
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2016, 12:49:02 PM »
And they begin with a video, which  provides an opportunity for delegates to stretch and stream their way past me to the restroom - someone in International Witness must have made the convention planner angry - they are getting some pretty lousy placement on the schedule.

2-03 To continue our support of International Schools and Their Role in the Church's Mission.
The three international schools would be Hong Kong International, Concordia International - Shanghai and Concordia international - Hanoi.

As a personal aside - Honk Kong International school had a long history in its formative period of being staffed by administrators who cut their teeth at my parish school, Our Saviour in the Bronx. Men like Jim Handrich, Bob Christian, David Rittmann.

Delegate rises to say that it is important for our teachers and administrators at these schools to be Lutheran.

Concern about the ability of Lutheran Theology to be taught under Chinese rule. Concern that this resolution may not be possible given restrictions in China.

Friendly amendment to replace "day school" with

Chin Chen in China is it our school, and why was it not included?  No it belongs to our partner synod in Hong Kong.

Founding principal of Shanghai (who taught at Our Saviour-Bronx for a year) gives a passionate speech about how our schools are actually one of the few places in China where they can actually share Jesus and teach the faith.

Resolution passes with only 12 voting against.




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Re: Floor Committee 2 International Mission
« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2016, 01:00:12 PM »
2-04 To affirm LCMS Military Chaplain's Right for Free exercise of Religious Freedom in the Face of LGBT inclusion in the Armed Forces.

I get that the issue of LGBT in the military is the prevailing issue that brought this resolution, but I would have preferred a measure that was not limited simply to that issue or even predominantly focused on it. Religious Freedom for Chaplains will likely face challenge on far more fronts than this.

Reminder that friendly amendments shouldn't be used for editing typos.

Chaplain makes an amendment to clarify a technical clarification that would include flag ceremonies as a part of the religious freedom piece for chaplains (not being fully aware of the way the military works yet - Pr. Hannah, what just happened? (for those keeping score at home I am down to about 20% understanding now for the morning).

Only 7 vote against. Off to lunch.

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« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2016, 02:55:49 PM »
2-04 To affirm LCMS Military Chaplain's Right for Free exercise of Religious Freedom in the Face of LGBT inclusion in the Armed Forces.

I get that the issue of LGBT in the military is the prevailing issue that brought this resolution, but I would have preferred a measure that was not limited simply to that issue or even predominantly focused on it. Religious Freedom for Chaplains will likely face challenge on far more fronts than this.

Reminder that friendly amendments shouldn't be used for editing typos.

Chaplain makes an amendment to clarify a technical clarification that would include flag ceremonies as a part of the religious freedom piece for chaplains (not being fully aware of the way the military works yet - Pr. Hannah, what just happened? (for those keeping score at home I am down to about 20% understanding now for the morning).

Only 7 vote against. Off to lunch.

I don't know what it was that he was referring to. Flag ceremonies and religious freedom?
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Re: Floor Committee 2 International Mission
« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2016, 04:49:51 PM »
Possibly flags presented at funerals?
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« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2016, 05:12:38 PM »
How could that be related to religious freedom?
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Re: Floor Committee 2 International Mission
« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2016, 12:43:35 PM »
Hmmm.

Recently, one of my church members put an article about this on my desk from the Military Times.  It was a recent dust up at an Air Force retirement when a pastor spoke at an airman's retirement during the flag ceremony.  He was going against the orders of his commanding officer, but said that the ceremony was not a command event, and therefore people were not forced to be there.   

Perhaps the language added in the resolution had this in mind?  It was a fairly recent event. 
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« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2016, 12:48:51 PM »
Hmmm.

Recently, one of my church members put an article about this on my desk from the Military Times.  It was a recent dust up at an Air Force retirement when a pastor spoke at an airman's retirement during the flag ceremony.  He was going against the orders of his commanding officer, but said that the ceremony was not a command event, and therefore people were not forced to be there.   

Perhaps the language added in the resolution had this in mind?  It was a fairly recent event.

I believe that was it.

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« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2016, 01:35:17 PM »
Hard to comment on the case without knowing a whole lot more.

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« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2016, 08:50:36 PM »
Just now getting to reading the convention posts.  I believe the delegate was speaking of promotions to flag officer rank being affected by a chaplain following the teachings of his church body/conscience -- that is, not receiving such promotion as a result of his faithfulness -- and our church speaking against such.

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« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2016, 07:39:26 AM »
Just now getting to reading the convention posts.  I believe the delegate was speaking of promotions to flag officer rank being affected by a chaplain following the teachings of his church body/conscience -- that is, not receiving such promotion as a result of his faithfulness -- and our church speaking against such.

Like Chaplain Gard?

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