Quote from: Eileen Smith on February 20, 2016, 06:33:53 PMI do agree that it is very appropriate for a family member, who is ordained, to be invited to preach and/or preside at the funeral - even if it means that the parish pastor step aside. I did not get the impression that Fr. Shuster agrees with your proposition.In response to your statement, why?
I do agree that it is very appropriate for a family member, who is ordained, to be invited to preach and/or preside at the funeral - even if it means that the parish pastor step aside.
Quote from: Pr. Don Kirchner on February 20, 2016, 08:54:01 PMQuote from: Eileen Smith on February 20, 2016, 06:33:53 PMI do agree that it is very appropriate for a family member, who is ordained, to be invited to preach and/or preside at the funeral - even if it means that the parish pastor step aside. I did not get the impression that Fr. Shuster agrees with your proposition.In response to your statement, why?For the most part, I do think Father Slusser and I agree that there are instances where, it is appropriate, for an ordained family member to preside and/or preach at a loved one's funeral. Why? There is a subtle difference, I believe, between the Sunday worship service and those events in our lives that take place outside of this Sunday worship. Recently a baby was baptized in our congregation. Her grandfather, an LCMS pastor, asked to preach. The pastor and worship committee discussed this request and it was decided that baptism is a sacrament that happens within the Sunday congregational worship and, as such, the called pastor would preach. At yet another baptism of the granddaughter of a long-time member wanted friends who were not members of the congregation to read. We again said no - same reason. There does seem to be leeway, however, with weddings and funerals. Funerals, most especially, are a time when we try to work with the wishes of the family - for their comfort in a very difficult time - as much as is possible.
Quote from: John_Hannah on February 20, 2016, 03:01:32 PMQuote from: Pr. Don Kirchner on February 20, 2016, 02:37:53 PMQuote from: John_Hannah on February 20, 2016, 01:09:53 PMIt was indeed an excellent example of evangelical catholic witness to Jesus Christ! There is very little that I would quibble with. Grand conduct of the liturgy and brilliant proclamation!Yes, it was very good Gospel message, even with the reference to indulgence, allusions to purgatory and praying for his purification....I did notice it. That's what I would quibble about. Peace, JOHNThat being said, it was a funeral for one who was Roman Catholic in a Roman Catholic church
Quote from: Pr. Don Kirchner on February 20, 2016, 02:37:53 PMQuote from: John_Hannah on February 20, 2016, 01:09:53 PMIt was indeed an excellent example of evangelical catholic witness to Jesus Christ! There is very little that I would quibble with. Grand conduct of the liturgy and brilliant proclamation!Yes, it was very good Gospel message, even with the reference to indulgence, allusions to purgatory and praying for his purification....I did notice it. That's what I would quibble about. Peace, JOHN
Quote from: John_Hannah on February 20, 2016, 01:09:53 PMIt was indeed an excellent example of evangelical catholic witness to Jesus Christ! There is very little that I would quibble with. Grand conduct of the liturgy and brilliant proclamation!Yes, it was very good Gospel message, even with the reference to indulgence, allusions to purgatory and praying for his purification....
It was indeed an excellent example of evangelical catholic witness to Jesus Christ! There is very little that I would quibble with. Grand conduct of the liturgy and brilliant proclamation!
Quote from: Eileen Smith on February 20, 2016, 05:08:13 PMQuote from: John_Hannah on February 20, 2016, 03:01:32 PMQuote from: Pr. Don Kirchner on February 20, 2016, 02:37:53 PMQuote from: John_Hannah on February 20, 2016, 01:09:53 PMIt was indeed an excellent example of evangelical catholic witness to Jesus Christ! There is very little that I would quibble with. Grand conduct of the liturgy and brilliant proclamation!Yes, it was very good Gospel message, even with the reference to indulgence, allusions to purgatory and praying for his purification....I did notice it. That's what I would quibble about. Peace, JOHNThat being said, it was a funeral for one who was Roman Catholic in a Roman Catholic church Indeed. That's why I said "very little" quibble and then only if pressed. That, of course is not likely to happen. A funeral is no place to carry out theological polemics. This funeral was a magnificent witness to our shared faith in Jesus Christ and the resurrection of the body! Peace, JOHN
I need to post this publicly, because Mr. Johnson will not let me address him privately.Someone did post the context of the comment from the late justice. You might do well to read an entire conversation before bleating out your snarky remarks.
Quote from: Pr. Don Kirchner on February 20, 2016, 08:54:01 PMQuote from: Eileen Smith on February 20, 2016, 06:33:53 PMI do agree that it is very appropriate for a family member, who is ordained, to be invited to preach and/or preside at the funeral - even if it means that the parish pastor step aside. I did not get the impression that Fr. Shuster agrees with your proposition.In response to your statement, why?Who he? Peace,rMichael
So, Peter, when someone takes a cheap shot at me and I wish to engage them privately and when they refuse to receive my private comments, what recourse do I have to seek correction and reconciliation?
And Peter, I dare say, that you are not the sole arbiter of what constitutes "positive effect" on the thread of discussion. As for lastworditis, I suggest you check the postings of certain others here, who, if I were to name them would indeed make this thread more cluttered than my Aunt Mabel's garage. Ever see an old stove, hunting gear, remnants of Delft china and loose Tinker Toys all in one place?As for the personage in question, I might suggest that if you are supposedly ignoring my comments, and if your mailbox refuses to accept my responses, then do indeed ignore my remarks - rude as that may be - or at least have the kindness and common sense not to take the shots.
I don't know, Peter; as I do not set myself up as the ultimate person to determine what is "positive." It will come as no surprise to you that I do not find many of your posts positive; but I suspect that some do. Here, as in life, every mot need not be bon. Nor need it be bon for every lecteur.