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Re: Donald Trump: The Man And The Myth
« Reply #735 on: February 24, 2016, 04:46:06 PM »
Why is Hillary Clinton running for President?

Her rationale in 2008 :   I want to be the first female President.
Her rationale in 2016 :   I want to be the first female President.

Why is Donald Trump running for President?

His rationale in 2016:    I want to make America great again.


Both Hillary and Donald are focused on their own self-interest.
We really need another George Washington who put his nation
first.
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Re: Donald Trump: The Man And The Myth
« Reply #736 on: February 24, 2016, 05:12:17 PM »
I was, however, troubled listening to thoughts expressed by women with whom I meet weekly for bible study, prayer and quilting.

Why?

When asked why it was not possible to vote for Hillary Clinton, reasons were not forthcoming. For the record, this group of sisters in Christ is very important to me. When Bill retired after 21 years in a parish where I experienced a deep sense of Christian fellowship and belonging, this group helped me deal with depression.  Moving to a new state with many unknowns was the most difficult change in my life.

Regarding the primaries, I hope Gov. Kasich emerges as a dark horse.  His record in Ohio is credible and I judge him to be a man of personal integrity. At the same time I do not consider his proposal for tax cuts wise.  IMO, the need to fund necessary infrastructure issues is not possible with tax cuts proposed by all the Republican candidates. There are no clear for persons who identify with neither party.

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Re: Donald Trump: The Man And The Myth
« Reply #737 on: February 24, 2016, 05:20:14 PM »
I was, however, troubled listening to thoughts expressed by women with whom I meet weekly for bible study, prayer and quilting.

Why?

When asked why it was not possible to vote for Hillary Clinton, reasons were not forthcoming. For the record, this group of sisters in Christ is very important to me. When Bill retired after 21 years in a parish where I experienced a deep sense of Christian fellowship and belonging, this group helped me deal with depression.  Moving to a new state with many unknowns was the most difficult change in my life.

Regarding the primaries, I hope Gov. Kasich emerges as a dark horse.  His record in Ohio is credible and I judge him to be a man of personal integrity. At the same time I do not consider his proposal for tax cuts wise.  IMO, the need to fund necessary infrastructure issues is not possible with tax cuts proposed by all the Republican candidates. There are no clear for persons who identify with neither party.

Marie

I too think Kasich might be OK.  But, much of the progress he enjoyed in Ohio was a result of fracking and the associated money (so I've heard).  Thus I wonder how he would do in less favorable circumstances.  He does seem to be far, far less divisive than the current president.

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Re: Donald Trump: The Man And The Myth
« Reply #738 on: February 24, 2016, 06:32:28 PM »
Wondering when Godwin's Law would kick in...

Or...

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/02/24/time-for-trump-to-name-gop-dream-team.html?intcmp=hpbt1

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I wouldn't call that Godwin's law.  As I already commented, it's a valid historical comparison.  As for me, I specifically disavowed any totalitarian inference related to invoking the German political analogy, which is what people who invoke Hitler's name usually mean.  But perhaps Pr. Hesse would like to revise and extend his remarks.


No need to extend or revise..... it is a simple historic fact of some of those involved in the decision at that time that they were of a view that the person in question could be "brought along" in a reasonable and satisfactory fashion. There would not be significant change from "business as usual." They came to regret their charitable assumptions.


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Re: Donald Trump: The Man And The Myth
« Reply #739 on: February 24, 2016, 06:35:33 PM »
There is no way I would ever vote for Hillary or Bernie...

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Re: Donald Trump: The Man And The Myth
« Reply #740 on: February 24, 2016, 07:44:31 PM »
After the Super Tuesday Primaries in March........you can expect Ted Cruz
to fold like a cheap lawn chair.


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Re: Donald Trump: The Man And The Myth
« Reply #741 on: February 24, 2016, 08:47:16 PM »
After the Super Tuesday Primaries in March........you can expect Ted Cruz
to fold like a cheap lawn chair.

I certainly hope so!

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Re: Donald Trump: The Man And The Myth
« Reply #742 on: February 24, 2016, 08:59:59 PM »
But you forgot to add the one way she is different, which is that she actually has a clue about public policy and international affairs

I guess you weren't paying attention when she did a completely incompetent, disastrous job as Secretary of State.

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Re: Donald Trump: The Man And The Myth
« Reply #743 on: February 25, 2016, 11:18:27 AM »

We know Secy. Clinton. She's a liar. She's unethical. She's in it for the money and she's an attention whore. In other words,  she's like Trump. It's very sad.


Yeah, that makes sense, comparing her to Trump. I like that. But you forgot to add the one way she is different, which is that she actually has a clue about public policy and international affairs--which, even if you disagree with her, should count for something in comparison to the ignorance and bombast of The Donald.


Isn't there a saying about the enemy you know vs. the enemy who is unknown?

Yep.  I've used it multiple times in the past week describing a potential Hillary/Donald general election tilt. 
 
Frankly, I'm not sure Trump himself has any idea what a Trump presidency would be like.  My suspicion is that he is far more interested in winning an election than he is in actually being president.  I predict that, heaven forbid, he is elected, he will be out of office before the end of his first term, either through impeachment or just deciding he's done that, and now it's time to move on to his next project.

Perhaps a better historical leader with whom to compare Trump is Silvio Berlusconi in Italy.  Peas in a pod.

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Re: Donald Trump: The Man And The Myth
« Reply #744 on: February 25, 2016, 11:46:20 AM »
Frankly, I'm not sure Trump himself has any idea what a Trump presidency would be like.  My suspicion is that he is far more interested in winning an election than he is in actually being president.  I predict that, heaven forbid, he is elected, he will be out of office before the end of his first term, either through impeachment or just deciding he's done that, and now it's time to move on to his next project.

I actually doubt he will leave via impeachment.  And I doubt further that he'll leave early.  If he stays populist enough, I can see him getting a second term.

It's right up the alley of American television/media habits.  Maybe there will be some good unintended consequences that result. 
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« Reply #745 on: February 25, 2016, 12:21:53 PM »
Perhaps a better historical leader with whom to compare Trump is Silvio Berlusconi in Italy.  Peas in a pod.
That's exactly what I've been thinking! And worrying about.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-11981754  "Profile: Silvio Berlusconi, Italian ex-prime minister"

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Re: Donald Trump: The Man And The Myth
« Reply #746 on: February 25, 2016, 05:11:54 PM »
Frankly, I'm not sure Trump himself has any idea what a Trump presidency would be like.  My suspicion is that he is far more interested in winning an election than he is in actually being president.  I predict that, heaven forbid, he is elected, he will be out of office before the end of his first term, either through impeachment or just deciding he's done that, and now it's time to move on to his next project.

I actually doubt he will leave via impeachment.  And I doubt further that he'll leave early.  If he stays populist enough, I can see him getting a second term.

It's right up the alley of American television/media habits.  Maybe there will be some good unintended consequences that result.
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Re: Donald Trump: The Man And The Myth
« Reply #747 on: February 25, 2016, 07:01:41 PM »
Frankly, I'm not sure Trump himself has any idea what a Trump presidency would be like.  My suspicion is that he is far more interested in winning an election than he is in actually being president.  I predict that, heaven forbid, he is elected, he will be out of office before the end of his first term, either through impeachment or just deciding he's done that, and now it's time to move on to his next project.

I actually doubt he will leave via impeachment.  And I doubt further that he'll leave early.  If he stays populist enough, I can see him getting a second term.

It's right up the alley of American television/media habits.  Maybe there will be some good unintended consequences that result.
The White House as the largest reality TV show ever.

In a more perfect world, I wish we had legislation disallowing:  self-funding campaigns by million/billionaires, campaigns funded by big corporations, and campaigns funded by unions.  Citizens would have a very tight cap.  Quite honestly, I find nothing redeeming about Trump's candidacy and the media coverage - I'm not even sure which is worse.  Which leads to Trumps bragging rights of not taking any outside financing.  Trump doesn't need outside financing and apparently doesn't need to spend his own money on advertising.  He's got the media to run his campaign.  If he isn't the news story, the story is about another candidate as that candidate relates to Trump.  I wonder if he'd be where he is if the media had simply ignored him.   

Every now and then when I need a break I relax and go to Oz and one of the nice thoughts that come to me there is that Trump may/will get to the point of winning the nomination, but then announce that he was simply doing this to illustrate that we need a change.  He'll turn his delegates loose and a legitimate candidate will step in.  But then my red heels (inadvertently) click together, I'm back home, and beginning to think that this man really has a shot at it all!!!

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Re: Donald Trump: The Man And The Myth
« Reply #748 on: February 26, 2016, 09:23:07 AM »
Some folks arenít impressed by rigorous logic, documented facts, and verbal precision.  They prefer emotive speech that strikes the chord, scratches the itch, or ignites the fire.  They arenít thinkers.  They feel their way through life.  Consider the music they listen to, the churches they attend, the preaching they hear (if they go and if they listen), and the conversations they have.  How could anyone be surprised at how Donald Trump resonates with these people?  He speaks their language.  Heís one of them.  Heís a billionaire with the same earthy manners as Bubba from the neighborhood tavern.  Heíll stick it to those liberal know-it-alls, you know, the cerebral sissies in the government who have screwed up the economy, depressed wages, exported jobs, and let America be dissed all over the world.

Iím not at all surprised at his popularity.  Yes, heís a demagogue.  Thatís the kind of leader folks are looking for.

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Re: Donald Trump: The Man And The Myth
« Reply #749 on: February 26, 2016, 10:21:01 AM »
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