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Re: Least favorite hymns in the hymnal...
« Reply #105 on: September 26, 2015, 04:15:16 PM »
Pastor Lou Hesse is correct.  A funeral sermon should
both comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable.

At one funeral a family came up to me after the luncheon
and said they wanted to start attending our church.  They
were lapsed Lutherans who had not attended a worship
service in 10 years.  The wife said it was good to hear
the law and gospel from the pulpit. They eventually joined
our parish after 3 months.

Bottom Line:  The Holy Spirit works wonders through the
hearing of God's Word.  We cannot tell the Holy Spirit when
to work and when not to work.


That can happen, but I doubt that you planned the sermon with the idea, "I'm going to try and get people to join my church." That is kinda telling the Holy Spirit how and when to work.

No one here is saying that he did.  You are creating a context that has no bearing with what Pr. Likeness actually said.


I assumed that he didn't do that. However, I have heard that done in a funeral service by a Lutheran minister.
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Re: Least favorite hymns in the hymnal...
« Reply #106 on: September 26, 2015, 05:10:17 PM »
Pastor Lou Hesse is correct.  A funeral sermon should
both comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable.

At one funeral a family came up to me after the luncheon
and said they wanted to start attending our church.  They
were lapsed Lutherans who had not attended a worship
service in 10 years.  The wife said it was good to hear
the law and gospel from the pulpit. They eventually joined
our parish after 3 months.

Bottom Line:  The Holy Spirit works wonders through the
hearing of God's Word.  We cannot tell the Holy Spirit when
to work and when not to work.


That can happen, but I doubt that you planned the sermon with the idea, "I'm going to try and get people to join my church." That is kinda telling the Holy Spirit how and when to work.

No one here is saying that he did.  You are creating a context that has no bearing with what Pr. Likeness actually said.


I assumed that he didn't do that. However, I have heard that done in a funeral service by a Lutheran minister.

There are Lutheran ministers who say they are Lutheran ministers.  I can also be just as obscure in my words as anyone.
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Re: Least favorite hymns in the hymnal...
« Reply #107 on: September 26, 2015, 05:26:32 PM »
Pastor Lou Hesse is correct.  A funeral sermon should
both comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable.

At one funeral a family came up to me after the luncheon
and said they wanted to start attending our church.  They
were lapsed Lutherans who had not attended a worship
service in 10 years.  The wife said it was good to hear
the law and gospel from the pulpit. They eventually joined
our parish after 3 months.

Bottom Line:  The Holy Spirit works wonders through the
hearing of God's Word.  We cannot tell the Holy Spirit when
to work and when not to work.


That can happen, but I doubt that you planned the sermon with the idea, "I'm going to try and get people to join my church." That is kinda telling the Holy Spirit how and when to work.

No one here is saying that he did.  You are creating a context that has no bearing with what Pr. Likeness actually said.


I assumed that he didn't do that. However, I have heard that done in a funeral service by a Lutheran minister.

There are Lutheran ministers who say that they are Lutheran ministers.  I can also be just as obscure in my words as anyone.
Heh...

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Re: Least favorite hymns in the hymnal...
« Reply #108 on: September 26, 2015, 05:30:21 PM »
Pastor Lou Hesse is correct.  A funeral sermon should
both comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable.

At one funeral a family came up to me after the luncheon
and said they wanted to start attending our church.  They
were lapsed Lutherans who had not attended a worship
service in 10 years.  The wife said it was good to hear
the law and gospel from the pulpit. They eventually joined
our parish after 3 months.

Bottom Line:  The Holy Spirit works wonders through the
hearing of God's Word.  We cannot tell the Holy Spirit when
to work and when not to work.


That can happen, but I doubt that you planned the sermon with the idea, "I'm going to try and get people to join my church." That is kinda telling the Holy Spirit how and when to work.

No one here is saying that he did.  You are creating a context that has no bearing with what Pr. Likeness actually said.

I assumed that he didn't do that. However, I have heard that done in a funeral service by a Lutheran minister.

There are Lutheran ministers who say that they are Lutheran ministers.  I can also be just as obscure in my words as anyone.
Heh...

I knew a Lutheran minister who was a Nestorian.
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Re: Least favorite hymns in the hymnal...
« Reply #109 on: September 26, 2015, 05:38:50 PM »
Pastor Lou Hesse is correct.  A funeral sermon should
both comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable.

At one funeral a family came up to me after the luncheon
and said they wanted to start attending our church.  They
were lapsed Lutherans who had not attended a worship
service in 10 years.  The wife said it was good to hear
the law and gospel from the pulpit. They eventually joined
our parish after 3 months.

Bottom Line:  The Holy Spirit works wonders through the
hearing of God's Word.  We cannot tell the Holy Spirit when
to work and when not to work.


That can happen, but I doubt that you planned the sermon with the idea, "I'm going to try and get people to join my church." That is kinda telling the Holy Spirit how and when to work.

No one here is saying that he did.  You are creating a context that has no bearing with what Pr. Likeness actually said.

I assumed that he didn't do that. However, I have heard that done in a funeral service by a Lutheran minister.

There are Lutheran ministers who say that they are Lutheran ministers.  I can also be just as obscure in my words as anyone.
Heh...

I knew a Lutheran minister who was a Nestorian.

Antinomians, anyone?  Don't lift the rock.   ;)

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Re: Least favorite hymns in the hymnal...
« Reply #110 on: October 03, 2015, 06:42:31 PM »
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my least favorite verse in the hymnal is from "Once in Royal David's City"  "Christian children all must be.... Mild obedient good as he."    200% Law there

I'm not fond of "You call us Lord to be"  too much modern social action works righteousness imo.  But i've chosen it because of the tune "rhosymedre".  someday I'll find a Japanese version of Crossman's:  " My song is love unknown"

I'd rather talk about good hymns, new good hymns, ones old or new that folks have just encountered.   I think my most recent 2 are Unde et Memores  and Harts.

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Re: Least favorite hymns in the hymnal...
« Reply #111 on: October 04, 2015, 04:32:20 PM »
I don't much like Once in Royal David's City at all...

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« Reply #112 on: October 04, 2015, 04:59:55 PM »
I really like Once in Royal... Kings College, Christmas Eve, Processional... I'd take a pew there over the crowd at the supposed site in Bethlehem most years... 
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« Reply #113 on: October 04, 2015, 07:26:59 PM »
I really like Once in Royal... Kings College, Christmas Eve, Processional... I'd take a pew there over the crowd at the supposed site in Bethlehem most years...

Agree.
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Re: Least favorite hymns in the hymnal...
« Reply #114 on: October 04, 2015, 07:43:28 PM »
my least favorites these days
is the Southern hymnary, well actually-- songnary or nary a good hymn, book...  so many I have had to sing (or rather listen to sung at church) in the last three years that 1. I do not know.  2. Don't want to know.  3. and never heard before... it is like a foreign tongue far removed from Slovak, German, Latin, Greek and Hebrew...  and certainly Lutheran theology.   
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Re: Least favorite hymns in the hymnal...
« Reply #115 on: October 05, 2015, 12:39:16 PM »

I don't know if I dislike the hymn "All Are Welcome" (Evangelical Lutheran Worship 641) or if I'm just annoyed by the way it is belted it out with relish by those in my denomination who subscribe to ideologies different than my own. 
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« Reply #116 on: October 08, 2015, 12:06:44 AM »
Well, I don't like "All Are Welcome." 

1. It begins "Let us build a house..." and it always makes me think of the 2nd Samuel 7 text of David thinking he would build a house for the ark of the Lord. Hubris, anyone?

2. The chorus, "All are welcome in this place" just isn't true. It is a feel-good lyric that isn't based on how any of us really act, no matter what our ideology.

I'll stop there.

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Re: Least favorite hymns in the hymnal...
« Reply #117 on: October 08, 2015, 08:09:55 AM »
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my least favorite verse in the hymnal is from "Once in Royal David's City"  "Christian children all must be.... Mild obedient good as he."    200% Law there

I'm not fond of "You call us Lord to be"  too much modern social action works righteousness imo.  But i've chosen it because of the tune "rhosymedre".  someday I'll find a Japanese version of Crossman's:  " My song is love unknown"

I'd rather talk about good hymns, new good hymns, ones old or new that folks have just encountered.   I think my most recent 2 are Unde et Memores  and Harts.

my best to all on this blue sky morning
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That is one of my favorite verses- holding Jesus up as a model of obedience.  Sometimes we all need a bit of law.

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Re: Least favorite hymns in the hymnal...
« Reply #118 on: October 08, 2015, 09:08:39 AM »
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my least favorite verse in the hymnal is from "Once in Royal David's City"  "Christian children all must be.... Mild obedient good as he."    200% Law there

I'm not fond of "You call us Lord to be"  too much modern social action works righteousness imo.  But i've chosen it because of the tune "rhosymedre".  someday I'll find a Japanese version of Crossman's:  " My song is love unknown"

I'd rather talk about good hymns, new good hymns, ones old or new that folks have just encountered.   I think my most recent 2 are Unde et Memores  and Harts.

my best to all on this blue sky morning
james

That is one of my favorite verses- holding Jesus up as a model of obedience.  Sometimes we all need a bit of law.

Christian children must be perfect like Jesus..."a bit of law"...that'll get them to behave.   ::)

A favorite "verse"? Oh, how we love the law.
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Re: Least favorite hymns in the hymnal...
« Reply #119 on: October 08, 2015, 09:40:12 AM »
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my least favorite verse in the hymnal is from "Once in Royal David's City"  "Christian children all must be.... Mild obedient good as he."    200% Law there

I'm not fond of "You call us Lord to be"  too much modern social action works righteousness imo.  But i've chosen it because of the tune "rhosymedre".  someday I'll find a Japanese version of Crossman's:  " My song is love unknown"

I'd rather talk about good hymns, new good hymns, ones old or new that folks have just encountered.   I think my most recent 2 are Unde et Memores  and Harts.

my best to all on this blue sky morning
james

That is one of my favorite verses- holding Jesus up as a model of obedience.  Sometimes we all need a bit of law.

Christian children must be perfect like Jesus..."a bit of law"...that'll get them to behave.   ::)

A favorite "verse"? Oh, how we love the law.

Quite honestly, it's more sentiment.  I think it is a sweet way to state how we are to follow Jesus - we do say that, don't we????   Actually the words I learned:  Children, children all should be; Mild, obedient, good as he.  It's not suggesting that children will enter into fire should they not obey.