As to why I even try to respond, Peter, well I guess hope springs eternal. Perhaps someday I will understand the planet from which you speak, perhaps someday one of your anatomies will make sense to me.perhaps someday you will be able to speak in a way which is clear and understandable for someone like me.
As it is, I now see you falling in to the pit occupied by the Kirchner/Fienen enclave. Fire back at criticism in an "I must get the last word" mode, shift the subject slightly, or blame the failure to communicate on the other party. Or just declare the other party "wrong" without explaining what the actual error is. You and the K/F enclave will, of course, say none of this is true.
But that's how I see it.
As to the topic at hand, I believe that as a nation we have some deep thinking to do. But on some days, maybe days when I think too much about what I hear on this modest discussion forum, I severely doubt our ability to do any kind of deep thinking.
So carry-on. Those who were there when people were tortured, obviously have the best opinion and know what really happened and know how good or bad it was. Let's leave it all up to them.