Started by RogerMartim, July 06, 2014, 10:24:12 PM
Quote from: Tim Schenks on July 07, 2014, 01:34:25 AMWe said the Pledge of Allegiance and sang God Bless Our Native Land after the Divine Service today, and we have a US Flag near the chancel, along with that Methodist Sunday School flag that was so popular over the years, but we've actually had people in our congregation speak out in favor of removing the flags.I recall reading that the only reason the national flag was put in Missouri Synod churches was because of anti-German sentiments during World War I. Strange thing considering the people we were at war with at the time were supposedly worshipping the same God. This is also why no one speaks German anymore in the Missouri Synod...my grandpa (born in 1931) didn't know a word of German but his parents were raised speaking it. Both of them went through Confirmation using German-language Kirchengesangbuchs. My great-grandma offered to teach me when I was a kid but I stupidly refused.Back to the topic, we removed the flags from our nave about three years ago, moving them to the parish hall, but a woman who rarely attended church complained so much about it that they were put back.
Quote from: Pr. Don Kirchner on July 07, 2014, 08:08:26 PMOur hymns for yesterday were:Opening Hymn 341 "Lift Up Your Heads, Ye Mighty Gates"Hymn of the Day 684 "Come unto Me, Ye Weary"Closing Hymn 832 "Jesus Shall Reign Where'er the Sun"We prayed the Prayer of the Church from Chaplain Weedon and his cohorts.I didn't preach that the Statue of Liberty is Jesus.
Quote from: Pr. Don Kirchner on July 07, 2014, 08:08:26 PMWe prayed the Prayer of the Church from Chaplain Weedon and his cohorts.
Quote from: Rev. Spaceman on July 07, 2014, 06:09:36 PMThe transition from European languages such as German (and Norwegian, Swedish, etc.) to English happened fairly swiftly after US involvement in WWI. This was partially due to anti-German sentiment in the US, but it also had to do with the fact that immigration after WWI pretty much ground to a halt. In some places with a strong German heritage, the use of German persisted until quite late, perhaps the 40s and 50s, though English was used alongside it.
Quote from: Jim_Krauser on July 09, 2014, 03:00:07 AMI cannot fathom the use of the Pledge of Allegiance in a Christian worship service.
Quote from: Jim_Krauser on July 09, 2014, 03:00:07 AMI think it would be better not to have a national flag in the sanctuary simply as a witness to the catholicity of the church. A national flag bespeaks a sectarian note.I do not think the mere presence of the flag is idolatrous. Though given the manner in which it is regarded by many as sacred, certainly raises the issue of idolatry. I cannot fathom the use of the Pledge of Allegiance in a Christian worship service. Listen to the words: I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America... Pledge allegiance to a human object? During Christian worship? I find it problematic even outside of worship but how does that not pass the smell test under the first commandment? Pledging allegiance to the republic, I think is defensible, but not to the flag.In that context the flag is clearly an idol in a plain sense of the word, not very different from the statue of Ceasar that ancient Christians refused to offer incense to. Yes, Ceasar was regarded as a god, but he (and his statue) was also a understood as embodiment of the "state." BTW, I'm not anti-patriotic or anti-flag; the flag proudly flies from the front of the parsonage.