Started by Dave Likeness, January 17, 2014, 04:38:18 PM
Quote from: Brian Stoffregen on January 17, 2014, 11:48:58 PMFrankly, if the numbers in 2013 of ELCA + LCMC + NALC is greater than the ELCA in 2008, I'd be very happy. We are to grow the kingdom of God, not our denominations.
Quote from: Chuck on January 18, 2014, 12:26:44 AMYou're correct. I picked up 1959 instead of 1969.Just for kicks: ELCA LCMS US Populaion1925 1,124,892 628,695 115,829,0002012 3,964,474 2,196,788 312,780,968 252.43% 249.42% 170.04%
Quote from: Richard Johnson on January 17, 2014, 11:49:25 PMWas anybody going to talk about the interesting questions with which Pr. Likeness began this thread?
Quote from: Dave Likeness on January 17, 2014, 04:38:18 PMWho makes the decisions on the vitality of these seminaries based on enrollment, finances, etc.?
Quote8.31.02. Amendments to the governing documents of each separately incorporated seminary and each seminary cluster shall be submitted, upon recommendation of the appropriate unit of the churchwide organization, to the Church Council for approval. Amendments to the governing documents of a college or university of this church that affect the authority or integrity of an unincorporated seminary of this church associated with that college or university shall be submitted, upon recommendation of the appropriate unit of the churchwide organization, to the Church Council for approval.
Quote from: Chuck on January 18, 2014, 12:47:11 AMQuote from: Brian Stoffregen on January 17, 2014, 11:48:58 PMFrankly, if the numbers in 2013 of ELCA + LCMC + NALC is greater than the ELCA in 2008, I'd be very happy. We are to grow the kingdom of God, not our denominations.Indeed.Neither the LCMC nor the NALC have published numbers, so it is hard to know. It is telling, though, that 2 denominations who like to shout about how they are about "making disciples" don't seem to have any way of tracking that.
Quote from: Dave Likeness on January 18, 2014, 09:40:01 AMFrom the information posted so far, it seemsthat each ELCA seminary has the major challengeof supporting itself financially. Therefore, eachseminary will remain as long as they can raise thefunds to stay in existence.The fact that the Philadelphia seminary is on a financial watch list by the group that accredits them,and resides in a badly declining neighborhood, itwould make sense for them to have some serioustalks with the Gettysburg seminary.The Midwest currently has 4 seminaries and Chicagois also on the financial watch list. Perhaps it will loseout in the survival of the financially fittest.
Quote from: Dan Fienen on January 18, 2014, 10:32:05 AMWhat is the demand for new pastors in the ELCA? If young men and women are to be encouraged to spend the time and money (and in most cases encure the student loan debt) to get a graduate degree and train for a profession, some assurance that positions will be available would be good. A serious issue for any church body's seminary system is whether there is an excess capacity. More students help keep the seminary alive but if they graduate all dressed up with no where to go, is the church or the students really well served?Dan
Quote from: GalRevRedux on January 18, 2014, 09:54:59 AMLooks like the NALC is showing 130,000 members.http://thenalc.org/about-us-2/
Quote from: Dave Likeness on January 18, 2014, 02:41:07 PMAccording to the webpage of these seminaries,this was their student enrollment in 2010.Chicago.........290Philly.............260Gettysburg.....228Columbus.......155Dubuque........153St. Paul..........Not AvailableWhen you consider that those numbersrepresent 1st year, 2nd year, Internships,and 4th year students, then for exampleDubuque has about 38 students in each class. Interesting situations.