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Re: Plenary 4, Wednesday morning, speeches of nominees and 3rd ballot
« Reply #60 on: August 14, 2013, 08:50:04 PM »
And with very rare exceptions, when Lutherans extend a call, there is no termination date on any of them. Except for Bishop, where for American Lutherans a terminating date is the norm.  Some synods even have term limits.  I cannot imagine pastors or laity standing for this sort of thing in congregations.

Oh I don't know Steven- I can remember thinking that term limits for some lay members being a really good idea... :)
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Re: Plenary 4, Wednesday morning, speeches of nominees and 3rd ballot
« Reply #61 on: August 14, 2013, 08:54:09 PM »

Oh I don't know Steven- I can remember thinking that term limits for some lay members being a really good idea... :)

Now, Matt, I talking about a call in the Holy Ministry...  ;)
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Re: Plenary 4, Wednesday morning, speeches of nominees and 3rd ballot
« Reply #62 on: August 14, 2013, 10:21:18 PM »
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Will this election change the direction of the ELCA?  I frankly doubt it, unless Bp. Eaton truly reaches out to the orthodox remaining in the ELCA with something substantive and not just nice words.  I suppose that she could also try to build at least some bridges to the NALC and LCMC.  (The new secretary will have a big role to play here as well.)  But any change is likely to be incremental at best.

Having served in the Northeastern Ohio Synod while Eaton served as bishop, not much will change.  She talks about making sure that the ELCA doesn't slide into just another liberal Protestant denomination but she's not tolerant of Lutheran orthodoxy in matters of sexuality.  As an interim pastor, I was told that she was the pastor of the congregation I served.  I served in her stead.  She did not like the fact that I allowed the congregation and leadership of the church to investigate the happenings that were occurring in the church as a result of the 2009 CWA.  She came close to accusing me of leading the congregation out of the ELCA.  I did no such thing despite some disapproval of those in the congregation who thought I should be outspoken.  When I finally determined that my future as a pastor in the ELCA was over I moved to the NALC and resigned as interim pastor. 

She has been very forthright to say that there were clergy in the synod that were not preaching the gospel and was very disapproving of pastors who were welcoming the unbaptized to communion.  She was extremely critical at conference meetings with clergy about the pastoral office, but it went no further.  Some might say, "What else is a bishop to do?"  I could think of a few things.

She famously said at a conference meeting after the 2009 vote when a question was raised by a congregational member about scripture passages which he believed spoke against homosexuality: "I don't believe in the Bible."  I'm not sure she's done anything great for the Northeastern Ohio Synod in years as bishop...but she also hasn't wrecked it.  She's probably not the best and certainly not the worst.  In all things, I do continue to pray for her in her service to the Church.

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Re: Plenary 4, Wednesday morning, speeches of nominees and 3rd ballot
« Reply #63 on: August 14, 2013, 10:37:49 PM »

Oh I don't know Steven- I can remember thinking that term limits for some lay members being a really good idea... :)

Now, Matt, I talking about a call in the Holy Ministry...  ;)


A good friend in seminary was issued a two-year term call as his first call. It was as a associate pastor - gave him and the congregation an easy out if the two pastors couldn't work together.
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« Reply #64 on: August 14, 2013, 10:58:34 PM »
She has been very forthright to say that there were clergy in the synod that were not preaching the gospel and was very disapproving of pastors who were welcoming the unbaptized to communion. 

After reading Richard's summary of the discussion regarding reviewing/repealing "Use of the Means of Grace" in the hopes of an official encouragement to inviting the unBaptized to the Holy Supper I view this aspect of PBp-elect Eaton's teaching with cautious optimism that orthopraxis may continue.
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Re: Plenary 4, Wednesday morning, speeches of nominees and 3rd ballot
« Reply #65 on: August 15, 2013, 12:32:53 AM »

A good friend in seminary was issued a two-year term call as his first call. It was as a associate pastor - gave him and the congregation an easy out if the two pastors couldn't work together.

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Re: Plenary 4, Wednesday morning, speeches of nominees and 3rd ballot
« Reply #66 on: August 15, 2013, 08:04:00 AM »

She has been very forthright to say that there were clergy in the synod that were not preaching the gospel and was very disapproving of pastors who were welcoming the unbaptized to communion.  She was extremely critical at conference meetings with clergy about the pastoral office, but it went no further.  Some might say, "What else is a bishop to do?"  I could think of a few things.

A bishop could also do less, a lot less. Trust me on this.

One of the handful of orthodox bishops put it this way: "Realistically speaking, she's the best we could have hoped for."
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