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Dan Fienen

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Re: Transgendered
« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2021, 04:06:04 PM »
Pastor Falk, some children are born with heart defects or other abnormalities of their body. We fix those as soon as the child can bear the surgery. Quite a lot of people are not "made" or "born" perfectly.
We don't say to the parents of a child with congenital heart valve dangers "Well, God made her that way, so we will leave it alone."
That's because we know what a normal, healthy heart should do and we know what constitutes a defect. Being male or female is not a defect. Nobody is in the wrong body. If the chromosomes and physical reality don't match the inner development of the brain in terms of self-identity, that is a genuine psychological problem, not a physical problem. One can pretend a man is a woman and perhaps in some cases that is the best way to alleviate the problem. But the man doesn't actually become a woman.

Genesis is not genetics, but from the very beginning God created us as either xx and xy.

No matter how many hormones are injected and how many parts are amputated or implanted on the chromasomal level every person--no matter how gender euphoric or dysphoric--remains either  xx or xy.
Actually, that is not completely accurate. Some individuals are simply x, some are xxy, xyy, or xxx, not to mention other more subtle abnormalities.
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Re: Transgendered
« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2021, 06:34:57 PM »

It is the brain that determines our sexual orientation, not our biology. It is the brain that creates the gender identification, not our biology.


It's become nearly impossible for neuroscientists, molecular neurobiologists and cognitive psychologists to separate the functions of "the brain" and the functions of "our biology."  I wonder how you are able to do it.


I'm pretty sure that my little toe doesn't think, hold memories, calculate mathematical problems, or create fantasies.


In addition, a surgeon can remove the little toe, and doesn't affect our lives too much. Should our brains be removed well that's a whole different event.
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Re: Transgendered
« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2021, 06:50:11 PM »
And lgbt folks would say that God created them the way they are.

If this is true, and LGBTQ+ identities are as common as proposed (5.6% of the US population so identifies, up from 4.5% in 2017 polling data), where in all of Holy Scripture are we told that such variations are the 'norm' as much as what we witness in Genesis 1 & 2? Where does God Himself say that He created humans as man and woman and bi-sexual and transsexual, etc.?


The world we live in is no longer the world of Genesis 1-2. We don't go running around a garden naked eating the fruit of every tree that grows naturally in that garden. We wear clothes. We have to work to grow food or exchange money for food. Many of us eat meat that didn't begin until Noah's time (Genesis 9:3). We can't make Genesis 1-2 the norm because those people and that world no longer exists. We and our world are fallen people in a fallen world. People are born with defects. Pandemics kill millions of people. People are born with sexual desires and brain genders that don't match their bodies. Native Americans have recognized a wider variance in gender identification than the binary one that is most common among people of European ancestry.
"The church had made us like ill-taught piano students; we play our songs, but we never really hear them, because our main concern is not to make music, but but to avoid some flub that will get us in dutch." [Robert Capon, _Between Noon and Three_, p. 148]