Author Topic: Voting to keep "God" in the political process  (Read 2760 times)

Eileen Smith

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Re: Voting to keep "God" in the political process
« Reply #30 on: September 08, 2012, 11:07:10 AM »
I give thanks for the witness of Cardinal Dolan and to God for giving him the courage to lead the prayers at the RNC and DNC conventions just as he did.  I'm not convinced he was preaching to the audience, rather praying to God on behalf of all.   

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« Reply #31 on: September 09, 2012, 03:44:54 AM »
There is preaching and there is praying. There is sensitivity for those with whom you pray and there is personal ego.
I have prayed at VFW and American legion events but did not consider that the time to express concern for military spending.
I have prayed at town council meetings but did not consider that the time to make half of those present squirm. I will happily do that somewhere else, not by turning an invitation to pray into an invitation to preach.

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« Reply #32 on: September 09, 2012, 08:10:58 AM »
When the platform has no respect for life and not only deems it acceptable to end the life of a child in the womb, but wants us -the tax payers - to finance such an act... maybe they need some preaching with the praying.   And maybe they need to squirm a bit. 

Last Sunday, Roman Catholic priests were told to preach on conscience.  Not given the exact words and told to make clear that they were NOT telling people how to vote, they were to address matters of conscience such as abortion and immigration.  In my husband's church this didn't even make a blurb in the bulletin.  At my Friday RC support group which has people from a number of RC congregations in Bergen and Passaic, only one heard such a sermon.  Two women upbraided the priest on leaving church; one of those women wrote a letter to the pastor.  Few clergy have the courage and conviction that Dolan does - I hope he continues and inspires others. 

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« Reply #33 on: September 09, 2012, 11:39:59 PM »
I understand the complaints about Cardinal Dolan using being asked to offering opening prayers in public as an opportunity to speak out against abortion and in favor of life. Prayers should be prayers, not sermons. On the other hand, I suspect there would be at least as many complaints in here had Cardinal Dolan not taken advantage of the opportunity to bear witness against abortion.   

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« Reply #34 on: September 10, 2012, 07:15:55 AM »
Dr. Russell Moore,  Dean, Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, wrote on Twitter:
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A religion that needs state power to enforce obedience to it is a religion without confidence in the power of its god.
Oh, but he was talking about Iran at the time.

What has me very concerned, is the "ends justifies the means even if we have to lie," expression demonstrated by the chairman. He knew it failed.

Fully agreed.  Jon Stewart shared the outrage and pointed out how it was already on the teleprompter as being passed.

It bothers me that something like this even needs to be discussed and voted on. There are some things that should not need to be discussed. It says something about any organization that has to discuss and debate and then vote on something as simple and fundamental as this. It makes me question whether the organization that has to debate and vote on something like this even has any core values at all.

Especially when three little words,  Gott mitt uns, could have corrected the situation.

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« Reply #35 on: September 10, 2012, 09:01:28 AM »
It bothers me that something like this even needs to be discussed and voted on. There are some things that should not need to be discussed. It says something about any organization that has to discuss and debate and then vote on something as simple and fundamental as this. It makes me question whether the organization that has to debate and vote on something like this even has any core values at all.

Especially when three little words,  Gott mitt uns, could have corrected the situation.

Not really when that has no effect on the key proposition of the motion to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

But the Democratic party will ignore that party plank anyway so it really does not matter.

Mike