Started by readselerttoo, September 08, 2012, 03:53:12 PM
Quote from: readselerttoo on September 08, 2012, 03:53:12 PMMorality is a product of Kantian philosophy which on the one hand does acknowledge God but only within the bounds of its own acknowledgment of God, ie. through its own idea of who God is. What results from this is human fashioning of morality that secures for itself measures which may indeed secure but then at the same time these humanly devised standards of measurement are ascribed with divine value .
Quote from: readselerttoo on September 08, 2012, 03:53:12 PMMorality is a product of Kantian philosophy which on the one hand does acknowledge God but only within the bounds of its own acknowledgment of God, ie. through its own idea of who God is.
Quote from: readselerttoo on September 08, 2012, 03:53:12 PMObviously, the new topic I am proposing strikes a chord with me. I do not believe that there is such a thing as being morally responsible. Since the day of the fall of humanity (ie. Genesis 3 and forward) human beings forfeited any possibility of ever becoming morally responsible. Before and after Christ, human beings cannot possibly be morally responsible creatures before God. Now some will argue that there is an arena in which before one another a modicum of responsibility becomes necessary within public life. And yet within that arena to believe that to be morally responsible could ever occur outside of God's judgment and wrath is to declare that humans can behave and modulate public behavior beyond God's sight or at least declare that God is pleased with our standards of morality/measurement. What has changed in Christ is that sinners are forgiven, not to return from forgiveness to create moral standards in which now they believe they have reached God's favor. Forgiveness is only received within the moment at which God has forgiven a sinner and which a sinner has received that forgiveness. This cannot be extrapolated into the public sphere as received by a body of people.
Quote from: Brian Stoffregen on September 08, 2012, 06:40:46 PMAt the recommendation of two ministers in town (Methodist and Episcopalian) I'm reading: The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion, by Jonathan Haidt.His first chapter is: "What Does Morality Come From?"He offers this summary of his opening chapter:
Quote from: pearson on September 08, 2012, 10:37:18 PMIt describes three possibilities for how human beings might access morality (innate, psychological, social), not what morality "comes from." In doing so, it collapses the distinction between how morality comes to us and what morality is.