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Will you eat at Chick-fil-A today?

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Re: Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day
« Reply #105 on: August 02, 2012, 11:27:43 PM »
Buckeye Deaconess says:
Having formerly been a member of the ELCA church, I state emphatically that I have more in common as an LCMS Lutheran with Southern Baptists than I do the ELCA on the whole (with the exception of some of you fine folks on here and others I've cooperated in the externals with).  They were a delight to work alongside of in my mission and human care work in the south.  Where we excel as Lutherans in those environments is our focus on the Gospel.  However, there was never a question of where they stood with respect to God's Word.  The same cannot be said about ELCA Lutherans as can be noted on this forum.

I say:
Then why don't you join their side of the fence if you feel that they are so exemplory.
Born again Christians tell us Lutherans that we aren't baptized at our baptism as infants. We don't have the whole truth. We are incomplete. It is telling God that we are ready which is not at all Lutheran.
They have a very dim view of the Real Presence, in fact none. We Lutherans are sustained by the very fact that we are receiving the Body and Blood of Christ when we go up to the altar. Both LC-MS and ELCA subcribe to this. (So, the fact that you make this difference, then you need to study your catechism a bit more.)
Their Born Again Christology is based on that once "born again" you are saved forever. We Lutherans say that we sin daily and we are in constant need of God's forgiveness.



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Re: Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day
« Reply #106 on: August 02, 2012, 11:47:29 PM »
Then why don't you join their side of the fence if you feel that they are so exemplory.

You keep talking about lines, us vs. them thinking, and now fences, but the only person talking that way that I'm aware of is you.  What's up with that.
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Re: Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day
« Reply #107 on: August 03, 2012, 12:05:53 AM »
What's so complicated by that? The Deaconess has said that she has "more in common as an LCMS Lutheran with Southern Baptists than I do the ELCA..." She's made it clear. I just pointed out that this is inconsistent with Lutheran theology. The two have nothing in common. I think I explained that quite clearly in the previous post at the variances.

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« Reply #108 on: August 03, 2012, 12:11:41 AM »
Perhaps folks are smarter than we give them credit for.  Here's an article written by a 20 yr old gay man who can make the separation between a corporate exec having his free speech rights attacked and this somehow being about hating gay people.  While a number of distinctions he makes could still be sharpened in my mind, his overall point shows that folks are in fact capable of making distinctions, despite the spin that media outlets put out.

Agreed, most of this is a tempest in a chicken pot, er, fryer.  You can imagine, however, that any minority persecuted in the past (and occasionally denigrated in the present) would be hyper-sensitive to speech about them. 
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« Reply #109 on: August 03, 2012, 12:15:47 AM »
What's so complicated by that? The Deaconess has said that she has "more in common as an LCMS Lutheran with Southern Baptists than I do the ELCA..." She's made it clear. I just pointed out that this is inconsistent with Lutheran theology. The two have nothing in common. I think I explained that quite clearly in the previous post at the variances.

So then where do you stand on the issue of abortion and homosexuality, Mr. Martim?  It is on these issues that I made my point above.  That is where inconsistent theology comes into play.  The Catholics have a different view of the Lord's Supper than we do . . . do you have the same level of disdain towards them as you seem to have for those who claim to be "born again"?

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« Reply #110 on: August 03, 2012, 12:16:21 AM »
The chicken guy believes in traditional heterosexual marriage.
But as a Baptist, I venture he doesn't believe in traditional (infant) baptism. 
 
Which of his affirmations/beliefs is more important/central to the Christan faith?

I didn't know that we were supposed to rank or prioritize different aspects of our faith. Are we supposed to judge and evaluate who we'll listen to by ranking their Christianness on some sort of numeric scale?
I just think that the whole hubbub here (and the support from staunch Lutherans) might be characterized by "strange bedfellows"  ;)
I suppose it might be another example of the adversary of my adversary is my friend.

I didn't realize that Baptists were Lutherans' adversaries.
They deny the efficacy of my baptism and probably that of most of those writing here (not to mention the vast majority of Christians).  Since the Reformation those have tended to be regarded as adverse positions. 
 
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Re: Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day
« Reply #111 on: August 03, 2012, 12:16:42 AM »
Dave Benke

How would you publicly show your support for Chick-Fil-A President, Dan Cathy?  Not asking to be contentious, and if you think my question is inappropriate, no response is necessary.

Linda

No contention taken.  The average bear is just going to do what the rest are doing and buy a chicken sandwich.  The other option would be to separate from the average bears and organize something else that stated why you were doing what you were doing and what it was and wasn't.  But that wouldn't be easy. 

Or you could have a churchly letter thing, even while having your sandwich and eating it too, stating (with others) why you ate that chicken, and that you're not a gay-hater/baiter even though you stand on the side of marriage as the lifelong union of one man and one woman.

Dave Benke

But you're in NYC! Did anyone dare even show up yesterday at the Chick-fil-A at NYU right in the heart of Greenwich Village? In a heavily evangelical area like the South, I get that a mob of people showing up might suggest to gays that there is anti-gay sentiment--I have heard some of that crowd did make anti-gay remarks. But in NYC? If anyone said anything like that they'd be mobbed!

For the record....the sole Chick-fil-a in NYC is indeed located at NYU as the poster stated, BUT what he didn't say was that all NYer's knew it was CLOSED FOR THE SUMMER !!!!


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« Reply #112 on: August 03, 2012, 12:19:32 AM »
What's so complicated by that? The Deaconess has said that she has "more in common as an LCMS Lutheran with Southern Baptists than I do the ELCA..." She's made it clear. I just pointed out that this is inconsistent with Lutheran theology. The two have nothing in common. I think I explained that quite clearly in the previous post at the variances.

You said earlier:

I guess it is OK that Mr. Cathy is the one who decides that the line is drawn between God's "wonderfully and fearfully made" creatures of "Us" versus "Them."

And then later:

Then why don't you join their side of the fence if you feel that they are so exemplory.

So you allege that Mr. Cathy has drawn lines, denied that some are "wonderfully and fearfully made, and espoused an us vs. then mentality.  I asked you to share how you knew that.

Then you insist that someone must choose which side of the fence to be on.  Apparently you have decided that there is a fence between LCMS Lutherans and Baptists.  So who exactly is guilty of us vs. them thinking and drawing lines?

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Re: Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day
« Reply #113 on: August 03, 2012, 07:53:22 AM »
Dave Benke

How would you publicly show your support for Chick-Fil-A President, Dan Cathy?  Not asking to be contentious, and if you think my question is inappropriate, no response is necessary.

Linda

No contention taken.  The average bear is just going to do what the rest are doing and buy a chicken sandwich.  The other option would be to separate from the average bears and organize something else that stated why you were doing what you were doing and what it was and wasn't.  But that wouldn't be easy. 

Or you could have a churchly letter thing, even while having your sandwich and eating it too, stating (with others) why you ate that chicken, and that you're not a gay-hater/baiter even though you stand on the side of marriage as the lifelong union of one man and one woman.

Dave Benke

But you're in NYC! Did anyone dare even show up yesterday at the Chick-fil-A at NYU right in the heart of Greenwich Village? In a heavily evangelical area like the South, I get that a mob of people showing up might suggest to gays that there is anti-gay sentiment--I have heard some of that crowd did make anti-gay remarks. But in NYC? If anyone said anything like that they'd be mobbed!

For the record....the sole Chick-fil-a in NYC is indeed located at NYU as the poster stated, BUT what he didn't say was that all NYer's knew it was CLOSED FOR THE SUMMER !!!!

Plus, for those of us in the outer boroughs, the cost in time and possibly transit in getting over the village would be prohibitive.  For me it would take maybe an hour plus each way, and if I had to drive it would cost me (although I have EZ pass) $9 in tolls and about $30 for parking.  So it would be slow and painful.  And then I'd have gotten there and found out it was closed.  Which happens a lot to NYers, with their spouses or special others, who are going, "Wonderful - so we just spent $40 and three hours and what do we have?  We have plenty of nothing."  And then the silent ride home, and the hearing of "Why couldn't we just have gone to Pio Pio." 

Because the great and #1 chicken place in NY is Pio Pio, which is Peruvian, and located in its #1 spot (it has a few others) around 85th and Northern Blvd. in what used to be called Corona, but now probably has one of those new names, CitiField West or something like that. 

Today's Times article on this topic focused on the Southern food nature of Cathy and his enterprise, and highlighted, as it was going to do, a straight young man who frequents Chick-Fil-A because of the way it does chicken, even though his best buddy produces gay pornography, from whom the straight guy got permission to feed on Chick-Fil-A even though it was protest day.  And the lazy, crazy, hazy days of summer continue.

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Re: Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day
« Reply #114 on: August 03, 2012, 08:52:39 AM »
And the timing is everything, hence my suspicion that the chikn folks cooked this up.
The news in August is usually that there isn't much news in August; and almost every year some quirky thingeroo that wouldn't otherwise merit more than a brief, suddenly "gets legs" (and in this case wings and breasts) and takes off, with boosts from egotistical politicians, celebrities or social reformers who see another chance to get their names in the papers, even if they have to retract what they say later.
WTG, mysterious chickn marketing guy (or gal).


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« Reply #115 on: August 03, 2012, 09:24:02 AM »
And the timing is everything, hence my suspicion that the chikn folks cooked this up.
The news in August is usually that there isn't much news in August; and almost every year some quirky thingeroo that wouldn't otherwise merit more than a brief, suddenly "gets legs" (and in this case wings and breasts) and takes off, with boosts from egotistical politicians, celebrities or social reformers who see another chance to get their names in the papers, even if they have to retract what they say later.
WTG, mysterious chickn marketing guy (or gal).
Seriously?  I can see the conversation, "Let's give an interview on the chance that the media, politicians, and homosexual activists will make a big deal out of it and we'll sell a bunch more chicken."  Let's make sure that those in the media, politicians and the homosexual activists bear no responsibility for their actions, it's all those nasty Christians who just can't accept what we want. :-\
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« Reply #116 on: August 03, 2012, 09:37:16 AM »
I'm beginning to think the whole thing was instigated by a chik-fil marketing guy. It would not have been hard to get the quote out there, drum up opposition and - voila! - record sales.

You aren't serious?  Wow.  This from the man who won't believe ANYTHING without names/dates/places/facts/and so on....

Hold on, I can hear the helicopter blades now...

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« Reply #117 on: August 03, 2012, 09:37:59 AM »
You gotta love the hypocrisy of what he does, all the while saying "I just can't stand the hate." 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUk-5R14jE0

kudos to his "victim" for maintaining her composure in the face of his bullying and hate speech.

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« Reply #118 on: August 03, 2012, 09:51:14 AM »
Pastor Hatcher writes:
Seriously?  I can see the conversation, "Let's give an interview on the chance that the media, politicians, and homosexual activists will make a big deal out of it and we'll sell a bunch more chicken."  Let's make sure that those in the media, politicians and the homosexual activists bear no responsibility for their actions, it's all those nasty Christians who just can't accept what we want.

I comment:
There would have been - in my imagined scenario - no reference to "nasty Christians." It would be a simple focus on a way to get the name of the Chikn place in the news and stir up some business. And it wouldn't be - in my imagined scenario - a "chance"; the plotters would be rather confident that their device would work.
And if my imagined scenario were anywhere close to true, guess who the dupes and patsies are? 1. The pro-gay folks who got all twisted about some CEO's remarks; and 2. Those who thought they were defending "traditional" marriage by eating a particular product.

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« Reply #119 on: August 03, 2012, 11:28:07 AM »
And the timing is everything, hence my suspicion that the chikn folks cooked this up.
The news in August is usually that there isn't much news in August; and almost every year some quirky thingeroo that wouldn't otherwise merit more than a brief, suddenly "gets legs" (and in this case wings and breasts) and takes off, with boosts from egotistical politicians, celebrities or social reformers who see another chance to get their names in the papers, even if they have to retract what they say later.
WTG, mysterious chickn marketing guy (or gal).

But the truth of the matter is that it was most likely an attempt to use an interview in Christianity Today to created false outrage about "intolerance" and further the cause of same-sex marriage.  The evil haters at Chick-fil-A could then be contrasted to the noble and enlightened corporate types at Microsoft and Google, who in July made large donations to the cause of same-sex marriage.

Now before you start stamping your foot and shouting that my theory is loony, hysterical, outrageous and unsubstantiated, remember that I am simply offering a counter theory to yours.  I'm not claiming it is true, only that it is more likely than your loony, hysterical, outrageous and unsubstantiated theory.
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