Started by JoshOsbun, January 19, 2012, 04:43:29 PM
Quote from: Weedon on January 24, 2012, 04:15:38 PMI've started to chime in two or three times today, but I'm just not sure what to say. It is a mess. The Synod doesn't fund the seminaries so they have to get money to operate from somewhere - so that comes from the students borrowing massive amounts of money to give to the Seminaries and then being sent over and over again into parishes where a "living wage" is just not on the table. It was heart-breaking to read about Pr. Messer's and TV's experiences. Endowments are nice, but they (I think) historically come from folks who are alumni, no? And we sure don't have many millionaire pastors out there. Something that hasn't been mentioned but probably should be is that if this is a bad situation for the pastors, it is even worse for the deaconesses. How often are they the first to be RIFed - and that's only those lucky enough to have gotten calls. We continue to recruit women - gifted and talented women - for this field of service, but we as a Church body seem at a loss to find places of service for them. And this is hardly a new problem. I think the one thing we'd all agree on is that the status quo is not sustainable. It makes no sense. I'm not sold on SMP (meaning absolutely no disrespect to my brothers in office like Padre who entered by alternative routes - I firmly believe that it is call and ordination and NOT seminary education that makes a man a pastor, pure and simple). I'm not sure that we're actually using it the way it was packaged and sold to the Synod in Convention; in fact, I'm rather certain we are not. But what on earth is the way forward?
Quote from: swbohler on January 25, 2012, 07:35:09 PMDr. Just served as pastor from 1980-1984 (5 years: 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984) in Connecticut. Dr. Rast served as pastor in Tennesse from 1992-1996 (5 years: 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996 ). Dr Peter Scaer was pastor in Indiana from 1996-2000 (5 years: 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000).
Quote from: swbohler on January 25, 2012, 10:11:37 PMI guess Jesus was not dead three days either: only Friday afternoon, Saturday, Sunday morning.
Quote from: Scott Yakimow on January 25, 2012, 07:46:15 PMQuote from: swbohler on January 25, 2012, 07:35:09 PMDr. Just served as pastor from 1980-1984 (5 years: 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984) in Connecticut. Dr. Rast served as pastor in Tennesse from 1992-1996 (5 years: 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996 ). Dr Peter Scaer was pastor in Indiana from 1996-2000 (5 years: 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000).The numbers only work out that way assuming a Jan 1 start date and a Dec 31 finish date. I really don't care either way, but it's unlikely that any of these folks served a complete 5 years given the dates you relate.
Quote from: Charles_Austin on January 25, 2012, 04:25:02 PMmusings:1. I believe that in England during the time just following Henry VIII, the only requirement for being a priest was the ability to celebrate mass; and there were priests who were essentially illiterate. I think this was also true at time in the eastern part of the Church, where the function of the priest was only to celebrate the Divine Liturgy. Such things as preaching, pastoral care, scripture study, etc. were not considered essential. The situation shifted to the times when, especially among Protestants, the domine, preacher, evangelist, priest, vicar, rector, curate, etc. etc. was expected to be one of the most educated and literate people in the village.