Started by Richard Johnson, April 18, 2006, 12:19:08 PM
QuotePastor Ken Kimball Old East and Old West Paint Creek Lutheran ParishWaterville and Waukon, Iowa
QuoteAnd perhaps if we separate into 2 or 3 groups, each will be freed from devoting so much time and energy to issues that divide us (sexuality, ecclesiology, etc.), and can focus instead on the core Christian missions of evangelism and the ministry of Word and Sacrament.Perhaps these groups will discover a unity among them once they are liberated from the struggles over that which divides them.
QuotePOSSIBLY BACK ON TOPICWhat keeps two nearby, struggling congregations from coming together into one congregation? I'm not singling out your congregations.........Is this parallel to the situation in the ELCA? We have 65 synods who may not agree with each other, just as a church with 65 members are not likely to agree with each other about everything, but there is something that keeps them belonging to the congregation -- and living and working and worshiping together in spite of individual differences.
QuoteIn the 19 years since a group of people split from this congregation and formed a TAALC congregation -- long before I came -- we have done nothing together. That which drove them away from the budding ELCA continues to keep us apart.
QuoteI think that a big part of this discussion is how much autonomy should each synod have. How different can one synod be from another synod within the ELCA? Synodical "local option" has been one of the "solutions" suggested to the homosexual problem. Let some synods ordain practicing homosexuals and let other synods refuse to ordain them. This is the way the UCC has resolved the issue.
QuoteLet me be blunt-I will use black and white language and the nit-pickers can have a field-day...Here are the reasons why the traditionalists will loose the ELCA and the revisionists will win:1.So far, ELCA PB's have been revisionists.
Quote2. Revisionists are well-funded and coordinated.
Quote3. Revisionists are largely LCA and are used to Robert's Rules of Order. They show up to change things.4. Traditionalists are largely ALC and hope the Holy Spirit will fix everything and are willing to wait. They don't show up, figuring God's will be done.
Quote5. Traditionalist have one front on which to fight, one stand to make on 2000 years of interpretation.
Quote6. Revisionists can keep discovering something new, use flanking movements in science, sociology, Hollywood, human rights, poetry, and nit-picking.
QuoteOFF TOPIC WARNING I've visited your congregations when Judd & April Larson were pastors there. I provided special music at one of them -- played an arrangement I'd done of Kum Ba Yah.
QuoteSeems to me (as a layman -- limited knowledge, but learning...) that in the one extreme, 'God loves us and forgives us' as the alpha and omega of all that matters (and everything else is insignificant) is the ticket to unity.In the other extreme, 'unless everything is exactly the way I think it should be, then there must be division' is a requirement of orthodoxy.