So What If Boys Can't Be Boys And Men Can't Be Men?

[George Erdner]

Duh.  I know exactly what it means, and by whom the term is primarily used.  Doesn't make it any less disgusting. 

Actually, if after hearing the etymology of the term, and being informed that it doesn't refer to a part of the male anatomy and isn't meant to have the connotations you ascribe to it, you still can't get past it sounding "disgusting", that says more about your sensibilities than it does about the term itself.

[Brian Stoffregen]

Duh.  I know exactly what it means, and by whom the term is primarily used.  Doesn't make it any less disgusting. 

Actually, if after hearing the etymology of the term, and being informed that it doesn't refer to a part of the male anatomy and isn't meant to have the connotations you ascribe to it, you still can't get past it sounding "disgusting", that says more about your sensibilities than it does about the term itself.

This is one of the rare times I agree with George.

[kls]

Duh.  I know exactly what it means, and by whom the term is primarily used.  Doesn't make it any less disgusting. 

Actually, if after hearing the etymology of the term, and being informed that it doesn't refer to a part of the male anatomy and isn't meant to have the connotations you ascribe to it, you still can't get past it sounding "disgusting", that says more about your sensibilities than it does about the term itself.

Katie, I think he's saying we're the most sensible ones on this thread (and Erma!).  Bwaaaa haaaa ha!

[iowakatie1981]

I've hesitated thus far, Kim, but I can hold back no longer...

Might the very existence of this thread be perhaps the greatest argument in favor of ordaining women?    

I mean, I personally guarantee that when I have conversations with my colleagues (male or female) in what could reasonably be described as a professional forum, I do not discuss my __________, nor their relationship to my mode of transportation.  Just sayin.' 

Duh.  I know exactly what it means, and by whom the term is primarily used.  Doesn't make it any less disgusting. 

Actually, if after hearing the etymology of the term, and being informed that it doesn't refer to a part of the male anatomy and isn't meant to have the connotations you ascribe to it, you still can't get past it sounding "disgusting", that says more about your sensibilities than it does about the term itself.

Katie, I think he's saying we're the most sensible ones on this thread (and Erma!).  Bwaaaa haaaa ha!

[kls]

I've hesitated thus far, Kim, but I can hold back no longer...

Might the very existence of this thread be perhaps the greatest argument in favor of ordaining women?    

Point taken.  I have so enjoyed my off-thread discussions with several of you ladies and do see your situation in ways that I didn't before.  You know I love you (or I hope you do), and I honestly try not to offend when I discuss where I stand on women's ordination, but God has given me the understanding I have.  It is completely unnatural for me to believe the way I do because I am by nature of the opinion that women can do anything a man can do (except where some physical limitations prevent it).  I would love to cooperate in the externals with all of you, but maybe not so much in projects that some of these guys are putting forth where evangelism is concerned. 

[Charles_Austin]

Come on, girls,   real men just talk this way.   We're always making some snide reference to a man's "equipment" or the ways he is (or isn't) using it.   References to all body functions, especially those involving orifices or body fluids, are just how we are.  
Now hold off, guys, we really really really don't want this thread to drift off into mentions of the ways we talk about the ah, er, uh, ummmm..... girls. 

[George Erdner]

I've hesitated thus far, Kim, but I can hold back no longer...

Might the very existence of this thread be perhaps the greatest argument in favor of ordaining women?    

I mean, I personally guarantee that when I have conversations with my colleagues (male or female) in what could reasonably be described as a professional forum, I do not discuss my __________, nor their relationship to my mode of transportation.  Just sayin.' 

Duh.  I know exactly what it means, and by whom the term is primarily used.  Doesn't make it any less disgusting. 

Actually, if after hearing the etymology of the term, and being informed that it doesn't refer to a part of the male anatomy and isn't meant to have the connotations you ascribe to it, you still can't get past it sounding "disgusting", that says more about your sensibilities than it does about the term itself.

Katie, I think he's saying we're the most sensible ones on this thread (and Erma!).  Bwaaaa haaaa ha!

If, after all that has been said to indicate that the reference to the portion of the body that sits upon the seat of a motorcycle is in no way, shape, or form a reference to anything sexual, salacious, or naughty, and you still have to use a _________ to substitute for the term, then perhaps that indicates being too sensitive.

There's not much difference between an adolescent boy snickering when a donkey is referred to as an "ass" and a grown women getting the vapors over the use of the word crotch in reference to where a motorcyle rider's body interfaces with the motorcycle. Neither is a mature, appropriate response.

Do you swoon when the four upright portions of a table that support the table top are called "legs"?

[Brian Stoffregen]

Do you swoon when the four upright portions of a table that support the table top are called "legs"?

And sometimes those legs may be shapely.

[Charles_Austin]

And in some Victorian parlors, those shapely legs were intentionally hidden by a large table cloth.

[Pilgrim]

Come on, girls,   real men just talk this way.   We're always making some snide reference to a man's "equipment" or the ways he is (or isn't) using it.   References to all body functions, especially those involving orifices or body fluids, are just how we are.  
Now hold off, guys, we really really really don't want this thread to drift off into mentions of the ways we talk about the ah, er, uh, ummmm..... girls.  

Tim notes: Not ALL men. Just the Opera/NPR types!!! Hunters, fishermen, golfers, divers, rock climbers, ice house devotees, whatever, etc., rarely bother to speak about such matters at all, being far more interested in the activity at hand.  

[Maryland Brian]

 I have always been intrigued how quickly so-called liberal men can resort to such language around women.  And yes charles, you're the one who took the conversation in that direction.

You know, there are women in my congregation who would give nearly anything to have their husband sit beside them in church and to help raise their sons to be men of faith.  But I guess it's only so much wink, wink, nudge, nudge to some.  Gad.

[ptmccain]

Boys will have a difficult time being boys, and men, being men, in a church body that has formerly blessed homosexuality as a perfectly acceptable lifestyle choice and "natural orientation" when in fact it is a deep corruption of the very essence of what it means to be a man.

[kls]

Come on, girls,   real men just talk this way.   We're always making some snide reference to a man's "equipment" or the ways he is (or isn't) using it.   References to all body functions, especially those involving orifices or body fluids, are just how we are.  
Now hold off, guys, we really really really don't want this thread to drift off into mentions of the ways we talk about the ah, er, uh, ummmm..... girls. 

Oh, now that IS true, Charles!  Please stick to talking about your own anatomy and not ours!  Thanks!  

[kls]

If, after all that has been said to indicate that the reference to the portion of the body that sits upon the seat of a motorcycle is in no way, shape, or form a reference to anything sexual, salacious, or naughty, and you still have to use a _________ to substitute for the term, then perhaps that indicates being too sensitive.

There's not much difference between an adolescent boy snickering when a donkey is referred to as an "ass" and a grown women getting the vapors over the use of the word crotch in reference to where a motorcyle rider's body interfaces with the motorcycle. Neither is a mature, appropriate response.

Do you swoon when the four upright portions of a table that support the table top are called "legs"?

Oh, George, there's just something gross about that word to a lady.  There are words I hate that are used to describe the female anatomy, too.  By all means, have your boyish fun.  If we want to use an underline because we actually were taught decency and modesty as ladies, then let us be.   

[Charles_Austin]

Girls will have a difficult time being girls and women in a church body that refuses to let them exercise all of their God-given gifts, prevents them from full participation in church leadership, and attempts to teach that God has decreed that they shall be subordinate to whatever male heads their social unit, whether it be family, classroom, church, or anything else and has formally blessed this kind of discrimination as "natural law" when in fact it has nothing to do with natural law and is a deep corruption of the very essence of what it means to be a human being.