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Re: So What If Boys Can't Be Boys And Men Can't Be Men?
« Reply #45 on: December 15, 2010, 06:02:57 PM »
The interim before me for the  congregation in California offered up a sermon series on her journey through menopause.  I feel a need to preach about my prostate ...  What either would have to do with the Gospel would be a stretch, at least I think so.  Hmmm ... Too many hours on that motorized, well, you know ...

Oh thanks a lot... now the prostate sermon is on the ashpile, along with the one on that motorized, uh, yeah, well, I know. Between you and Paul there won't be much left to preach about except Christ, and Him crucified (or has the new exegetes taken that off the list, too?)  ;)
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Re: So What If Boys Can't Be Boys And Men Can't Be Men?
« Reply #46 on: December 15, 2010, 06:37:52 PM »
Methinks that Jesus would have chastised any of his disciples who pulled out a firearm to defend him in the Garden of Gethsemane. He certainly did not play the "macho" image of a man as he allowed himself to be physically and verbally abused without fighting back or calling on the legion of angels to fight back.

The very things Jesus endured leading up to and during His time on the cross is something no man but He could ever withstand; that's true macho-man/God stuff in my book.

Yup, he could do that when he needed to.  And he could also pull out the whip and drive out the money changers in good macho fashion as well. 

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Re: So What If Boys Can't Be Boys And Men Can't Be Men?
« Reply #47 on: December 15, 2010, 06:43:44 PM »
Methinks that Jesus would have chastised any of his disciples who pulled out a firearm to defend him in the Garden of Gethsemane. He certainly did not play the "macho" image of a man as he allowed himself to be physically and verbally abused without fighting back or calling on the legion of angels to fight back.

The very things Jesus endured leading up to and during His time on the cross is something no man but He could ever withstand; that's true macho-man/God stuff in my book.

I agree, but it also is counter to so much of what our culture deems to be "manly".
"The church … had made us like ill-taught piano students; we play our songs, but we never really hear them, because our main concern is not to make music, but but to avoid some flub that will get us in dutch." [Robert Capon, _Between Noon and Three_, p. 148]

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Re: So What If Boys Can't Be Boys And Men Can't Be Men?
« Reply #48 on: December 15, 2010, 06:45:13 PM »
One of the things that I find interesting about the show "MythBusters" is that while they do dangerous things on the show (and some of it is truly dnagerous, especially handling explosive materials and guns) they also use and show extensive safety precautions.  While there is often an element of danger in their investigations, they do those things as safely as possible and treat the safety precautions as a normal, expected element.  They are not about taking unnecessary risks and their masculinity does not suffer in the process.

Especially for the female(s) who have been on the show.
"The church … had made us like ill-taught piano students; we play our songs, but we never really hear them, because our main concern is not to make music, but but to avoid some flub that will get us in dutch." [Robert Capon, _Between Noon and Three_, p. 148]

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Re: So What If Boys Can't Be Boys And Men Can't Be Men?
« Reply #49 on: December 15, 2010, 06:46:18 PM »
One of the things that I find interesting about the show "MythBusters" is that while they do dangerous things on the show (and some of it is truly dnagerous, especially handling explosive materials and guns) they also use and show extensive safety precautions.  While there is often an element of danger in their investigations, they do those things as safely as possible and treat the safety precautions as a normal, expected element.  They are not about taking unnecessary risks and their masculinity does not suffer in the process.

Dan

Mythbusters is my, and my boys', favorite show, right up there with Dirty Jobs.

I DVR all the new episodes, so I can speed through the commercials.
"The church … had made us like ill-taught piano students; we play our songs, but we never really hear them, because our main concern is not to make music, but but to avoid some flub that will get us in dutch." [Robert Capon, _Between Noon and Three_, p. 148]

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« Reply #50 on: December 15, 2010, 07:44:37 PM »
One interesting sidelight is that the female regular on the show, who is a committed vegitarian (although she has eaten a couple insects, does that count) has also become somewhat of a gun enthusiast.  She loves shooting guns, the bigger the better.  She has even used a .50 caliber rifle (cartrages almost as long as her hand) and the mini-gun (the spent cartrages just pour out of it).  Go figure.  (And no, I don't think that she has ever gone hunting, except maybe for car doors, their crash dummy Buster, and a tree she chopped down with the minigun.)

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« Reply #51 on: December 15, 2010, 09:07:39 PM »
Sounds like a great lady to me. Except for the vegetarian part.

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Re: So What If Boys Can't Be Boys And Men Can't Be Men?
« Reply #52 on: December 15, 2010, 10:35:01 PM »
Sounds like a great lady to me. Except for the vegetarian part.

 :)

Read more about her: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kari_Byron#cite_note-byron-5
"The church … had made us like ill-taught piano students; we play our songs, but we never really hear them, because our main concern is not to make music, but but to avoid some flub that will get us in dutch." [Robert Capon, _Between Noon and Three_, p. 148]

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« Reply #53 on: December 15, 2010, 10:42:17 PM »
The men on the show interact with Kari with no problems (other than a genralized tendency to pull pranks - like designating her to usually get the dead animal parts - but nobody on the show escapes pranks) and it does not detract from her femininity or their masculinity.

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« Reply #54 on: December 16, 2010, 12:11:34 AM »
Can we petition the moderators to rename this thread something along the lines of: Women Who Are For the Moment Content With Not Living In An All-Female Colony On A Tropical Island Should Not Read This Thread.  Women Who Are Looking For An Excuse To Start One Should Read This Thread.

Seriously, boys?

Not that anyone asked, but...I like manly men - ones who hunt and fish and watch sports and drink beer (but never get drunk).  I also like men who can act and sing (I can't - actually got kicked out of somebody's Advent choir at school last year) and enjoy "cultural" events.  I want someone who'll take me to an MLB game and a TSO Concert.

But I will say this:  "motorized penis" made me LOL.  I've been known to use the phrase "penis-mobile" among girlfriends, and when driving near jerks on the highway.  However, "crotch rocket" I just can't handle.  It makes me want to vomit, just hearing or reading it on the page.  And frankly, the fact that it was used by some sort of "senior elite" of my "church body" (whatever-the-heck that even means) makes me a) nearly as embarrassed of our "church body" as Norwegian TV man did, and b) ensures that all respect and appreciation I had for this individual has flown out the window. 

Not that he cares, I'm certain.  But seriously, grow up.  All of you.  Kim made a comment over on the "women's ordination" thread:
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(In fact it simply proves that God had a valid reason for not permitting women to serve as pastors if we cannot control our tongue.)

With that kind of qualification, frankly, it seems like it's more than just the women causing the problem here.

This is a gentle reminder that there are ladies (including lurkers) present, and that regardless of a reader's gender, the type of language employed by an author has an impact on both the repuatation of the author and the One he purports to represent. 

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« Reply #55 on: December 16, 2010, 12:39:08 AM »
"Crotch Rocket"?? Oh, Katie, now that is even worse than the first, indeed.  Now it's stuck in my head.  I do consider myself appropriately rebuked by you (and cheerfully accepted it) for qualifying my statement to just women  You are indeed correct that it also applies to the guys.  I find this thread quite amusing, but it's easy for me to say that since the more salty comments aren't coming from LCMS pastors.  (Though I do think Bishop Barbie would take exception to Rev. McCain's comments on the color pink and his lack of interest in shopping at a fabric store or arranging flowers.)  I think we're spoiling their fun, though.  Some of them are probably shaking their heads in disgust and thinking to themselves "see what happens when we let the women in?"  Ha ha  Watch out guys, next we'll be showing up at your man caves with our cans of pink spray paint in hand!

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« Reply #56 on: December 16, 2010, 01:14:24 AM »

I can't blame any man for not wanting to attend a church pastored by a gay man or a lesbian, not to mention a women. The frilly, fluffy, feminization of theology plays no better for any normal man than forcing him to shop in a fabric store or to take flower arranging classes.

Paul, I do present and bestow upon thee the coveted "Unintended Consequences Award of the Month": by these two sentences you have turned me into an ELCA-advocating, 2009-Churchwide-Assembly-decisions-defending female pastor-type (conservative and traditional though I may be).  In other words, I can disparage my denomination, its decisions, and its (in my humble opinion) heterodox pastors and congregations, but you, sir, are a carpetbagger.  And I could say more but what's the point?   

(And I know, I was reading the prayer and the Christmas music threads, but the weird title got me to looking --  mistake, mistake, terrible horrible mistake.  Yuck and double yuck.  :P

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« Reply #57 on: December 16, 2010, 04:40:22 AM »
Carpetbagger.   ;D ;D
Glad you're still with us, Erma.  ;)

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« Reply #58 on: December 16, 2010, 05:24:48 AM »

"Crotch Rocket"?? Oh, Katie, now that is even worse than the first, indeed.


As I recall, I first heard the term "crotch rocket" in the 1960s.  It was a common term for motorcycles designed for drag racing.  I did not understand the term to have any sexual connotations.  Enter the term "crotch rocket" into a search engine and you will see that the term is still in use today, although it now seems to be used in slightly different ways by different groups.  An example of the use of this term is at this link:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=crotch%20rocket

I will not defend the use of the other term for motorcycles that Pastor Austin introduced to this thread, and do not care to know what he meant by using it.

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« Reply #59 on: December 16, 2010, 07:07:41 AM »

 I recall, I first heard the term "crotch rocket" in the 1960s.  

It generally refers to high speed, barely street legal racing bikes.  They are the ones with molded fairings and such with the rider leaned forward over the tank.  A young man's bike, it's way too uncomfortable a seating position for me.  Statistically more bikers lose their lives on them than any other.  Among the folks I hang with the riders are commonly called organ donors.

Example:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ducati-Superbike-Biposto-749-2004-DUCATI-749-BIPOSTO-ITALIAN-V-TWIN-299-SHIPPING-/200553296082?pt=US_motorcycles&hash=item2eb1e870d2#ht_3883wt_948

And to keep with the theme of the thread, these are the young men who are not in most of our churches.
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