Re. the Ordination and Ascensiontide threads: Perhaps it is time to take a deep breath and pray for the gifts of repentance, a traditional historical understanding of Scripture, respect for the authority of Scripture, and the ability to love our neighbors no matter what. I perceive all the hoo-ha is because it is very sad to see brothers and/or sisters go down errant paths, especially when Scripture and the Confessions warn about errant paths and repeatedly show the clear path. However, we all need to remember it is only our command to cast seeds, not to nurture and grow them - that is God's work. We are the creature, He is the Creator.