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« Reply #60 on: October 23, 2010, 01:01:29 PM »
George,

Your words remind me of the observation that the truth about stereotypes is that they are often true, but not invariably true; and that what makes a man a bigot is believing they are invariably true, while what makes a man wise is always remembering that there are exceptions to nearly every rule. 

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« Reply #61 on: October 23, 2010, 01:29:26 PM »
One further generalization:

The boomer generation is all about "rights" especially the right of knowledge.  That every trial, every disciplinary action should occur in the court of public opinion, that everyone should be able to vent their feelings publicly, without their feelings being tried by the same standards they themselves use.

Oh that and Machiavelli is cool and his techniques are sound in business.

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« Reply #62 on: October 23, 2010, 02:02:21 PM »
I am sorry, but I can't help but chuckle when a guy who is pushing 46 talks about the "boomer generation."

Your routine would work better, Dustin, if you were in your, oh, let's say, late thirties.

Sorry, but you are already into your own age of decrepitude.

 ;D ;D

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« Reply #63 on: October 23, 2010, 02:05:55 PM »
Is it just me, or does it appear that some folks don't understand the idea of an "influence" being but one factor of many in regards to the formation of points of view? Or that when people are "influenced" by the events that occur during their formative years, the effect of the influences can vary from individual to individual? Or that the fact that external social influences have different effects on different people does not negate the existence of those influences?
George,

Your words remind me of the observation that the truth about stereotypes is that they are often true, but not invariably true; and that what makes a man a bigot is believing they are invariably true, while what makes a man wise is always remembering that there are exceptions to nearly every rule.  

This distinction has practical guidance. I have asserted that we have to apply our witness to individuals. This is in the day to day decisions of the church, but is maybe easier to see in the pulpit. Tomorrow I will have a 14 year old young girl just baptized, who has only just come to know who Jesus is, maybe an 86 year old former Lutheran Pastor, some Methodist visitors, a couple ex-ELCA'ers, a 50 year old southern charismatic, some 70 year old Gospel music loving types, etc. etc. Maybe there is a stereotype to the congregation. But mostly they are old Lutherans in their 70's. How do I preach?!! How would I if they were all "Baby Boomers?"

The Gospel is the same for every one of them. All I can do is proclaim that Gospel using the text for the day. I don't know how to tailor it for such a diverse group even if I should. The temptation could be to target the 70 year olds, looking for some stereotypical characteristic of that group.While there is a personality to the congregation, sometimes influenced by generational factors. I just stereotype them all as 100% sinners and 100% saints, just like me.

BUT I do indeed seek to preach to indiiviiduals. I cannot use the word "propitiation," with that 14 year old. I have serious hermeneutic issues that have to be addressed with the ex-ELCA'ers. We have charismatic questions with  the 50 year old's family etc. etc. Will the Methodists hear something different in the Pharisee sections? Lots of stereotypes. Any stereotype here could bring damage to faith, and not proclaim the Gospel. I have to throw away completely such generalizations beyond all sinners, all saints, the human stereotype.

So I do focus on the sheep, one at a time. I have to, even when speaking to the entire flock all at once. Stereotypes here are deadly to specific souls. One message, but a use of word changed for that little lamb, and change of phrase for the three ladies in the back, an emphasis for the 50 year old, etc. etc.

I assert we have to throw away the stereotypes, beyond concern for the personality of the congregation. We deal with that as with any group. Find the leaders in spirit, deal with that individually, and the group spirit changes. One sheep at a time. There is little good to be gained from compartmentalizing the Boomers over here, and the Young Folk over there. Its not a question of insult, but a case of good pastoral practice.

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« Reply #64 on: October 23, 2010, 03:56:49 PM »
You can use 'propitiation' with a 14-year-old if you define it clearly. Then use it a couple of more times and later ask the kid what it means just to make sure he got it.

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« Reply #65 on: October 23, 2010, 04:28:23 PM »
You can use 'propitiation' with a 14-year-old if you define it clearly. Then use it a couple of more times and later ask the kid what it means just to make sure he got it.
Agreed.  We knew and understood what propitiation meant by the time we were in fifth grade catechism class at the WELS CDS I attended.  
Back when I was in catechism, we attended for four years, fifth through eighth grade.

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« Reply #66 on: October 23, 2010, 06:02:08 PM »
You can use 'propitiation' with a 14-year-old if you define it clearly. Then use it a couple of more times and later ask the kid what it means just to make sure he got it.
Agreed.  We knew and understood what propitiation meant by the time we were in fifth grade catechism class at the WELS CDS I attended.  
Back when I was in catechism, we attended for four years, fifth through eighth grade.

Just for the record, none of us are guiltless. I actually was blessed to watch God reach a 26 year old prison resident raised in WELS- CDS who apparently hadn't heard about Jesus there... although I bet he heard "propitiation." The funny thing is now that he has been pointed back to his WELS home church, he can no longer work with us, who told him about Jesus in the prison. No doubt, I trust God uses others to clean up my mess ups as well. It is about individuals and where they are. I might be willing to put my six graders up against your 8th graders. They know a few Latin and Greek words, as much as they do 5 syllable English words.  

The point is that there is much to teach this young one who was just baptized last week. I don't put up a test of "define propitiation" before baptizing ... maybe I should. I'll use simpler words for a while, and no doubt say the word once tomorrow, so she's heard it, but she needs declared to her heart, mind, and soul, what propitiation truly is, before she worries about secret religiospeak words, which sometimes ends up with faithless men in prisons. I'll focus on that since those who crossed her path (maybe even from WELS) for 14 years, and had their chance, never got around to telling her about Jesus, although I bet they said "propitiation."

One sheep at a time.

My focus and point remains that we deal individually with these things.

TV
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« Reply #67 on: October 23, 2010, 06:14:56 PM »
Pr. Awtry,
I need to do a long overdue apology for confusing you with the 'other' Clyde over at LQ.  I had an uncle Clyde.

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« Reply #68 on: October 23, 2010, 06:18:26 PM »
Pr. Awtry,
I need to do a long overdue apology for confusing you with the 'other' Clyde over at LQ.  I had an uncle Clyde.

You are forgiven. I even agree on occasion with Mr. N., but I try not to be as harsh... but rereading my comment above, maybe I don't always succeed.  ;D I may have an apology of my own before its all said.

I still drop by LQ to tweak the good Dr., although not as much lately. It grew tiresome.

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« Reply #69 on: October 23, 2010, 06:24:52 PM »
Pr. Awtry,
I need to do a long overdue apology for confusing you with the 'other' Clyde over at LQ.  I had an uncle Clyde.

You are forgiven. I even agree on occasion with Mr. N., but I try not to be as harsh... but rereading my comment above, maybe I don't always succeed.  ;D I may have an apology of my own before its all said.

I still drop by LQ to tweak the good Dr., although not as much lately. It grew tiresome.

TV
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« Reply #70 on: October 25, 2010, 01:13:15 AM »
I am sorry, but I can't help but chuckle when a guy who is pushing 46 talks about the "boomer generation."

Your routine would work better, Dustin, if you were in your, oh, let's say, late thirties.

Sorry, but you are already into your own age of decrepitude.

 ;D ;D

McCain,

GenX'ers are now 25-45 years old - get used to it. No matter how many times you say "I disbelieve" it won't change the facts.  Boomers are now entering retirement and having to face their own mortality and often immorality.

There is no such thing as deliberate ignorance.